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yes it's November 2, 2021 and we're seeing
a number of beautiful bottles of hugo kafi
and corona and you would almost think it is
funny but there is a
sad atmosphere here it is admittedly the
baptism of fire of the black book studio with
a huge amount of people
present and so now beautiful but the
hunt for the vaccinated is on further
opened by this cabinet and
we should actually be very sad
about that that has to be the case in this country
i am standing here with sietske bergsma
my colleague for tonight and pepijn van
houwelingen
second member of parliament who
has bravely resisted the data
war in recent weeks
picture film story come
back in a moment thank you you are from
proclaiming at bee and we're going
to talk in a minute and get a lot of people
who might be watching us but
have already let us know i can't
go to that p watching
conference sietske how do you experience
other people i have experienced it with myself
the past two i have
not looked at home at the kitchen table
also because
yes it is often a repetition of
the previous you feel i great fear is
being pumped into it and that you
no longer feel it yourself so you are really watching
a play you feel like a
very unpleasant play you were
actually again tonight so natural
difference is that I am not each other then
so that gives us a special atmosphere
as if just some kind of sports competition to
see who we are now beating and are here
for the athletes are already two men
as far as I am concerned who tell half and whole
untruths
yes a kind of shared first place
as winner we have then we have to so
yes i want to know cloth from you pepijn
we have you tonight so with a
very large group of people watched after the
press conference for me it
has been a long time since I did that again
with crooked toes how did you check
it it's a bizarre charade that
's what it is it's comfort the madness
and think you're very beautiful open the hunt
us and everyone needs to be
vaccinated everyone has to use
that qr code that's what they want nothing to do
with land and and that is
obvious and yes it is very very
sad so watch I will broadcast
we will continue talking with the pain of
pickaxes we also have some
good fragments and of course we will
discuss the matter substantively we also
speak with GP felix van der
Wissel, who could be seen tonight at sbs hart van
nederland, one of
vlaardingen's pants is shifting analysis
strikers, there is always
a fantastic list on twitter with the
press questions the press conference questions that are
not
asked she has to point them and then we go the
top 3 of discussing
but important is what I want to
give
you you are not alone this evening we do
it together it is oil for the soul
but we are going to look at the lion and the
mouth we are going to look at the first
fragment the new measures the
tightened measures of mark rutte
let's look at an update what is
coming our way
I will first tell you which concrete
measures we think are necessary at the moment
so in addition to the rules that already
apply such as the closing times for the
catering industry and the maximum number of
seventy-five percent visitors for
events without a seat inside
what can and what should we
do extra now
your good boy will outline to you next
how we get to the bowl let's take a look
to ensure that a hospital bed
remains available for everyone who
needs it,
so prevent patients but also for
people with other conditions,
but I'll start with the basic measures at the beginning
and I want to
say it again
our own behavior remains there crucial
with this, a very large
part of the entire corona approach falls or stands
the most important thing is
stay at home complaints and have yourself
tested even if you are vaccinated
tested positive then you stay inside and
then you follow the advice of the municipal health service
wash your hands regularly
especially when you enter somewhere
do not shake hands or give hugs
cough and preferably in your elbow and
use papers handkerchiefs
and of course provide enough fresh
air
with the means entrance apply on
top of this 3 tightened advice
one
the urgent advice
to keep
one and a half meters away one and a half meters is a safe distance
protect yourself and others
two the home work advice still applies
and it sharp in front to work at
least half of your working time at home and 3 we
are again giving urgent domestic
travel advice
my crowds
on the road and travel outside rush hour
because on the road it is almost
as busy as before corona and public
transport there
too we see the number of travelers
very rapidly increasing
the next thing that is very decided that
people from Saturday 6
November mber
had to show the corona admission ticket in more places,
so proof that someone is fully
vaccinated
has had krone or
was tested negative at most 24 hours ago
the well-known qr code that duty god over
the catering industry within sports canteens
public at professional
sports competitions business events
cinemas theaters and festivals
from Saturday there will be other
locations and located hey de bees don't
name the most important
the outdoor terraces in the catering industry a
number of so-called transfer locations
such as museums
ceramic and fairs
the choir the keys wise is further
mandatory in organized
amateur sport from 18 years for the
public and athletes
inside and outside
the same applies to drama associations
choirs and other cultural associations
also from 18 years old
we make an exception for
events and for organized
youth activities up to 18 years
this includes, for example, a
youth camp of the scouting but also the
Sinte
Finally, from Saturday 6 November, there will also be
an extension of the
mouth mask obligation that now only applies
in public transport and at certain
parts of airports
from Saturday mouth masks are also
mandatory at the stations and platforms
and throughout the airport.
from then on again a
mask requirement for all public
accessible within locations such as
government buildings shops video stores
hospitals and nursing homes
in addition in secondary
vocational education higher professional education and university
as people from a to b so in the
corridors
libraries and canteens
between classes and lectures not
if you sit during class
so in class or lecture hall
and furthermore, mouth caps are very
mandatory for all contact professions from
a hairdresser and the masseurs to the
nail stylist
but with the exception of the sex workers
the mouth caps duty money nothing where the
corona admission ticket is mandatory
if you so eat in a restaurant
When the museum goes to show you the coal
admission ticket and you don't have to
wear a mouth cap
so far what will change in the short term
yes we are back to square one could
you say I'm messing around with the
sound for a
while yes yes we are back to square one
could you say the mouth caps are
back the one and a half meters will
be further introduced
working from home is advised again I
have a list here is travel advice
for inland pants sneezing a lot
in your elbow and yes also the qr
code is being stepped up quite a bit I did see
that the mouth caps are not
mandatory for the sex workers so we are
very happy with that
it is ultimately about
public health
yes it makes me almost cynical how do you look at
that party
sad goodbye I'm also kampyon
can inside with the tacx in the
look this is what happens
get the net
so a more subtle and driving force on our
out of the black hole that's what they do
e and a taxi driver I thought I would also
indicate something for thea I those
measures are coming
I have me from after they did not want that
but I just had myself
pricked today because I am afraid that
if I am entered into I will get the
political fine there so that's not
the case and it has
to be injected jan jets against his will
with a fax and in his case
vice and of which the long-term
side effects of come on are known
pepijn this is exactly what i want yes that
is so with that that's what they want
from the message let you connect
go that qr code and year rutte heart-shaped
I add a little the
softer measures because
we've seen that before and also while yes the
boy can go with the new eddy
that that's the one that tightens the
thumbscrews is if you then they do that and
with commission block at your workplace and we
go to 2 g and it go but then it
that so long on the realize we
say this already a for a year they have
this audio for a
few weeks then the per bottle
then it will be fine again November 1 it
is free in one on him there would be all
measures competition girl of
year went through see the game so we
are yes that goes don't happen and look
where we are now so it's yes on
today in the room good later we'll have left
over tampons talter the king because
we want to request that information,
for example
about that hospital and we do
n't get it so all sides for you
blocked
because that's not true at all that that
's between crystal clear the
hospital to be there where we actually bring you here
yes what are we starting about yes wherever
they start me said he says with a
smooth face well it's of course
it station for all care of a story
is the om the unvaccinated who do it
here the hospital you the
hospital and nvm and so on hema we what
I so start it k have the
board says to be right now we know a lot of
doctors who can clean me
we are approached who can do safe with
also partly all further 4 have
numbers the pain there we all have
fragment of the hammer I'm going to
show also let's have a look at an
argument of you in the second room with
your good boy yes that was almost a blemish
jet janneke story that was about the
photo versus the film yes he wanted the
photos to be
able to take himself yes because in and them underneath
there are 25 photos to make a second of
film so class a big metaphors
just like that you excelled because you want to have the
information i am doing exactly
like o'clock good boy with that hand i
i i i I am scared all those eyes
yes then you have to also look at
it like that but you want that information in the
second room and let's just have
a look at it for people of
bizarre he also thought it was strange that you
distrust and that number look at hugo
de Jonge maa especially pepijn van
houwelingen
in debate with their good boy about the
photo and the film in order to be able to do our job well
that as a room we have the
photos i am perfectly able to add those
photos 11 to film
the rivm yes that is the problem and that
is therefore a major crisis thing the crisis of
confidence we are in we
no longer trust at all and why
is that case just to give an example
of drawbar time is technical
letters and check those states in
it has already been recorded coolly tells us
of it's that [ __ ] that i see more
or less verbatim quote that the vaccines are
at least as good that
course in meters just as good
description let it all the world
know it's not true where she
says same you we are
simply not properly informed by the
via I no longer trust that institute
I trust the ministry even more
honestly
and we want to be able to do our job
well do you understand that ar is very
often have underlying photos that is
all
the minister
but what you say here is very much a
suite that is very nice if we
have to make a political decision here on the
basis of the data provided to us
and rvm is an independent
institute and is a scientific
institute if you say then he will say that
institute that does that for us
i don't trust that at all because i
actually trust much more an
individual story that i very much like a
school or a break up or a break up
part of an interview that is related, that is much more
relevant than a scientifically
justified
figure that is abstracted from the
individual situation then we
have quite a big problem with each other and
because then institutions do not trust
more than we also spread
mistrust and if we undermine trust in
institutions
then I think that we are doing very
badly and that the price for that is much high there
is then our dear and can the lord of
houwelingen last but you can
restore that so that broken trust
so simply restore to us the
underlying primary give us the data
to give us those pictures very simple
should be able to do what the rivm should be
even base a figure on that so you
could fix it by
submitting a motion about it then I hope
you recommend it and that we correct the figures
during the then I will be the
first to stand here and focus on
what the minister said if the figures
add up for the hospitals then it is
correct so it is that simple it is that for
an out informant i think it is very
strange very strange with your institutes
ground bizarre
yes expression of mistrust in my opinion that
is called the controlling tasks it's
unprecedented how you belittled there it sounds
like you're asking something very strange
yes respond yourself there it's totally bizarre
that's what it is
he it's our job to check a
none wantro yours is good you have
to mistrust things so check our
job have seen how often things go wrong
we go the tax authorities and so on
all so we want that data and
and the fact that you don't give
all the more reason to
mistrust and so it is yes the world
is upside down and continuously etching this is
yes you see there it will not
come out at all than today voted on the engine
by the room so really alone it
was all sad and so the would
think that the room that is quite normal the
morris is the room if you request
information that too they always want to be
in front of every camera why would the tiles
be
and the room went all the way and
what happens there socialists document the
could be given another reason
I understood from pvda that they would
vote in favour, they also voted against from and
vvd that i heard they had
so much work from vws over the past four years what
all to look up the study
lariekoek
and you in the end they came for
nothing yes he is a bit used
as an errand boy I think he can then
on behalf of the cartel with the excuse of yes that
is all privacy difficult that is yes that
is also a total of what the data
we want chat trick on
institutional level and it is really not the case
that you have a hospital all hospital
that have leaked now one
also remains that there is that there that you are
on there just see that those dates are
decided and leadership what would mean
everyone vaccinated he is or not
vaccinated it does not occur
and if it has not fallen where
the cure some hospitals poland or can
we already confidential student chamber members
them inside that what if they do that what
will then inevitably turns out that so all
those photos that have the because still have
quite a few photos people who have
leaked so the cvz
make hospitals with photos blue you
just pieces of data pieces of data from
what they don't have trolls huh t is in
hospitals themselves ethical valley
today another hospital i had
that normal it also reliable
i verified it exactly the
reverse image
ups the reverse image
so it is not right
and they could restore that
trust by forgiving that act that
must I don't do because then yes they had
then I think because then it turns out so what what
in those things you might rescuers the
deed and iris that it has thrown four
certainly simulate them and say well this
should be it
green is healthy yes but the
snippets keep coming back yes pieces of information
come forward yes and so came
across a fragment of the l1 television but
the director told the regional
TV station that no less than two out of
ten
patients admitted to the IC, so
two out of ten had one are vaccinated,
so 8 vaccinated, which means that 80
% vaccinated at 10 c was
there in season and that is
then not mentioned anywhere in the plague epakt
I then sent that to people from
news hour who will work with
it we have it nowhere
3 let's take a look at the fragment
because this is such a piece of photo yes but
you are looking for the film to be
completed
l1 television
it is atypical in that sense not
only unvaccinated people as it is an
old saying from the north of the
country that the unvaccinated patients in particular
are being admitted then
finally pointed out that about two in ten
of the patients are not vaccinated is
the vast majority of our admission
to vaccinated patient
yes the vast majority of
patients are so just vaccinated
and you rightly said when copying
no privacy was violated here where
the information is there quote from
meike this kind of information punctual because of
course it would be eaten
privacy no problem because otherwise
the board chairman would have given the
training so it can give v ear it is there
and the cabinet refused to give in the
room even worse she wants to know now
mother that meter and all those photos
show a different image
and yes so it is it is it is the
world upside down and it is right so not and
where you will do what everyone
will help us with that doctors with a
conscience
ic nurse
send it to us find contact with our
can email me and we will try
to collect all that data and then cook with the
correct image so so what's
really going on' and then this will
turn out to be so that I'm
a hoax anyway whole pan and do so-called
panna more but that purple measures
pass your that to the
unvaccinated the 80 present that
his lives and people that that is not
correct but we do not know now in the
room does not want to know that is so
a lot are flaws
actually on the very many assumptions that
your day presents tonight also during
press conference that the share
wrong eyes much bigger is the hospital
and that's why we all have to arrange this list
after month so these are these these
we have to figure this out
and that's what the journalists
should do but talk about how the
have seen in the country is like a
press conference too hard
north korea we're going to call it no
critical questions or finland both
were the journalists for real yes or
maybe the people were not good
sps i still good work but you also know
that is really in you lighter
then asked again snake can you go through it
harder three questions
immediately went about why are we if you
decency offers us see what was
actually promised we have what is
our reward for a woman for your
behavior and to be unvaccinated on too
little actually excluded of the
fear and quickly a beautiful dream that is in
it actually also from the media well
maybe we should also start with
a press card because we
don't have those yet
I would be the other
channels at such a press conference
is being worked on and you are talking about the
shortage of journalists you
try to do at least some of that
work but luckily we have
maurice the dog he could couldn't be there today
because he had a kimono
with vincent evers and a bit
of health problems and had to
walk nine floors with stairs and so
sweet a lot a whole story but
made a video for us and that
video shows it very well that the
data is already available
abroad, the data is already available in
all kinds of surrounding countries, it is already
clear that the ratio of
vaccinated unvaccinated is at the
disadvantage of the vaccinated between
more vaccinated people in
hospital than unvaccinated in the Netherlands
we are walking there found out that is
partly because the data is not released
, but Maurice the dog has given
a fantastic calculation
ven and then we will take a look at
how, on the basis of today's figures, we
can make out well that
the protection of the vaccine against
infection is decreasing and that is
most strongly the case with the oldest
groups, the lowest
there is to see that last week of
those over 60 years old
15 percent were not vaccinated
and 85% were vaccinated, which means
that the protection of the vaccine against
infection
has decreased considerably
and certainly the oldest brother is vulnerable
and even if they come in somewhere with
an ordinary access pass they can not only
be infected themselves but also
can infect others if
we look at the hospital admissions
then there is something else very striking going on
I compare you with the figures
between 14 and 21 September so mid-
September when there were only little
hospitalization they were up to 280
and the past week when it was
about 830 and where do you see the
largest increase look at the bottom of this
tab l
that is in the group over 70 and
over 80 years there the increase is
very significant the vast majority of the
increase in the numbers of
hospital admissions in the past six
weeks is due to the oldest
age groups and those oldest
age groups that are up to so far
the best or most vaccinated and
that means and that is a development
that we are now seeing in many countries and
from the figures it is also known that
the vaccination rate of
hospital admissions is
now well above 50 60 and some
countries even 80%
and precisely because we now see in the Netherlands
how strong the increase has been, just
as in the other countries of the
group over 60 to 70 years old, you know that
the admissions of patients in hospitals are also
increasingly people who
have been vaccinated twice
yes that is of course very clear story
very easy to follow it is a shame
I think that journalism is the same
people who media at least this si simple
calculations or statistics became
results to those who do not do them
themselves they became a
program as news hour who already talk very
highly about journalistic code and
accuse other people of
fake news
and then this simple calculation
you cannot do or dare to look
at what fact are real,
by the way, there will of course be two somewhere,
think it is also heard, of
course, the story will come back in the
press conference that there is less
protection and that's the but with the
story of the third shot, then he will
be the one I actually
admitted through that road that there is a
problem with the protection of the
vaccinated person, but we will solve that
with a booster jab and that
will soon be possible for the 60 miners', I believe
from December, so you will already notice that
they admit to the is less
protection with fractionated
but I for the story of the
measures the story is just
unvaccinated his problems so show the
hospital to the facts something completely
different and mainstream
just keep quiet about that that is that is that is
really a very big problem
this moment and yes the media mention channels
and this has become an extension of
the party cartel which might be the
the biggest problem I think currently in
this country is that there can be no free
discussion
sounds that the opinion hey genome someone
following of it are completely expressed
with so that you are ridiculed you are
bah fine much worse are
actually prosecuted so doctors and
nurses that our approach you
know when we speak out then
we get for inspection youth and family after
us in that is openly admitted
civilian boy unit your own high yes
this yes I do not know if you have seen
it only one address conference started
hour good boy actually yes a
story yes that saves such a pain point is
that doctors can't talk freely
about vaccines n so he made a
victim of your heart stand your tax
and will on the dance higher of the [ __ ]
css can you see where it is wisdom is
bizarre what happens sound I had
further uytsel visit that dare to say
or exactly what we all say
but who does not dare to speak well
I have so many examples of
people who approached us exactly
once and that is one in which it
says on his own questions that it is on
parliamentary questions with him he read and
saw where you so says if you
as a doctor question the guidelines
if you do that then the family will
inspect 18 years then you will
spread disinformation with it danger to
public health money will be monitored so
we take exactly the opposite so
doctors who are critical are
dealt with harshly own must be smart if
you are a bit full of goodbye so what does
that mean have no free discussion
less country have a doctor by the way
I could only go to many eels mozen before
we introduce you in a moment it's
a GP further from home he
was at sbs sbs tonight
he's doing a good job
let's take a look at what hugo de
jong had to say because with it it
's difficult to watch but we
have to get through the bitter apple
the first images we serve up
of hugo de Jonge
yesterday told a number of general practitioners
that they can no longer speak freely
about the importance of vaccination
some even had to deal with
company that is of course unacceptable
but unfortunately no exception
we we see it more often around us lately
not everyone feels more free
to talk about the seriousness of the
coronavirus and the importance of
vaccination
because that can quickly count on fierce
discussion or worse and
unvaccinated people are also affected by it
and we must not resign ourselves to that
must not be that the high tone and
the big words of some
then lead to the conversation can no longer
be conducted or that it would
prevent us from doing what is necessary
or that it would prevent us from
stating the facts even if they are
uncomfortable
anyone who has not even been
vaccinated and
has not even had the infection
themselves it will
most likely become infected
by the coronavirus one day
and thousands of those people will become
so sick
that they have to go to hospital
and that is what we see now there are now too
many people getting sick in too short a time and
also the serious and the figures in
hospitals are therefore rising rapidly at the
moment and I would like to say a few
things about this first of all that
the rivm expects that if we
do not reverse the trend
towards double the number of people in
IC by mid-December as now
and with that the peak of this wave is
you could say a lot lower than the
waves we have had until now
about the height of the trough of
the peak in d Last winter and the
situations were therefore really different and that
is due to our high vaccination rate,
but it is not allowed to
let us down and no one is
also able to see that the wave is much higher
than the will because we want that
regular care as much as possible
continues and that is why we cannot afford too many
Crohn's patients in the
hospital
at the same time in the hospitals extra beds are now being
prevented again patients are
freed
doctors and nurses just ca
n't be in two places at the same time you need
more hands for the Quran and
patients then you have less hands
available for other care and that is
painful for those people who
are dependent on that other care, but it
also demands the utmost from all those
people who work in all those places
in care and we have come to take that a bit for
granted, maybe
but it's not we can
count on every day and have
fun going to be very grateful
for that and the reality is that it is
very busy in those hospitals
and also in the rest of the care
and we also have to face another reality
while the vast
majority of the Netherlands is vaccinated
, the vast majority of
corona patients in the hospital are not currently
vaccinated and the inconvenient
truth is that most of these
patients would not have needed to be there
if they had been vaccinated and i
know some find that message heart
but really hard the act is because of the
wax in new shots of crohn patient
other people have to wait longer for, for
example, a new hip
yes it is not only immoral but
I think your boy is just
lying to you outright about those numbers of
vaccinated or unvaccinated but
especially that beginning
in which he suggests that
general practitioners can no longer talk freely
about vaccination while I
have spoken to dozens of doctors no longer have
those problems to just
firstly care
it is unbelievable how that is
turned around and i take a
sip of my corona for a moment
and maybe you think a bit unprofessional
that someone is here watching
tv with the bottle of beer but
it's oil for the simon tonight because
i can almost do it not about what is
happening here
exaggerating a little bit but
i understand how it feels on the other side
of the screen when you
have to see these fragments and you have to
plow through them al hugo de Jonge in full
glory how did you check here many
yes a bit sad
I also said that to your sbs today
yes the government caretaker
cabinet had a chance
to connect the Netherlands by actually taking
all the measures necessary to at
least relieve the hospitals
because that is really necessary because yes
they have flown empty 27,000
nurses left last year
who no longer took it
actually because they are underpaid
because of the work pressure is much too high
there lies the debt and nowhere else
and now we all have to
go back to everything in the Netherlands
to ensure that those hospitals
are fixed that is the problem and yes and then
I get sad because then I
think yes
they had now had an opportunity
to connect us to shoulder with each other
without doing anything and not
actually putting that qr code back in
to actually use the unvaccinated who
now get the black pete
from the fact that the ics are filling up and
what it what makes it so sad is that if
you talk about
the unvaccinated
and I have often in pieces also on
linkedin on my facebook page battle
says who are the unvaccinated
with you I hear as a GP I
just have to look at what does someone
need what is the chance that someone will get
sick and whether it is in the risk of
cardiovascular disease or me that the way to
corona or whatever medical in I
look at it I look at
and in In a number of cases, it may be
wise to say it is not
good to vaccinate someone we do
not know anything about that fax yet and we do not
yet know about the long-term side effects
but if you know that someone
could die within a year
because he has an underlying suffering
and if I get crowned again oh now
that this 6 likes to tell you yes those
people you could vaccinate
what is actually completely ignored now
is that all people and if
you just look at the graphs
under 45 actually have nil chance of
ending up on the IC
and if we would at least
draw a line there and say
all healthy people under 45
who hoover also get those cakery
qr code tubes speakers who would like
but those can just be free around him a
lot of work yes i know him and let it be
said that everyone is free to come and go
because you just don't have a chance and i'd
rather everyone than get crowns
jgt then you get antibodies of which the
now know that it is much for much
longer huh
we had with selection do it for grandpa
and grandma you do it for the other you
do it for nothing what we know and
were done by hand you so
we wo
n't all get sick in the end we
all get sick I'm afraid you're
right but I think it's
mainly being vaccinated coming here in the
hospital and that's it that's
actually what I also
do with it is based on studies it now
also shows that, for example, we have
an immune system and that immune system
we stand yes we still have that immune
system we still have that must
not forget that we have that where
that advice system also consists of t
help run a few cells that is our
first immune system and that does
a very good job what that does is
actually all wrong cells or
the virus is the first to tackle if
we have cancer cells e n we have
about 100 cancer cells a
day that are all cleared up by those t
killer and helper cells and
research shows that this gene therapy in fact
also kills this t killer and help quickly
well that means that
people who are vaccinated who are
vaccinated more and more probably
eat all remains to be known or
approach scientifically because there
is still more research
to be done, but that these people have a
greater chance of dying immediately from
other infections or cancer
than other people then you
may be have you survived corona
but if you then get other diseases
and I really argue for much more
research because we still know so little
and based on throne little we
are going to condemn other people and we are
going to exclude yes that hurts me that
makes me sad and yes that
is another sad day today yes
we are now talking about very substantive
things people things very important of
course
and we are also practical matters
scaling up the example of the in c ze
or thinking about a special corona
hospital these are things you
could think of with an MBO thinking level
and that somehow have
not been used for over a year and a half
and that of course makes you
think but we have an excerpt in
the telegraaf why marcel levi and an
intelligent and sympathetic internist are given
the floor and also talk about it
and also agree with us
that it is strange that we
have not scaled up that hospital let's take a
look at
marcel levi take some action to
see if you can't expand that in the short
term and also
think carefully about longer-term
solutions because other than yes then we will
continue to go from top to bottom
and and they still have a long
way to go but I think there are a lot of
people and the bill myself
,
they think that yes that dutch nd
has lost quite a lot of time in the past year
not working on
expanding intensive care and yes
that costs money that is an investment and
that money must come from the government and
health insurers but yes they
have hidden themselves a bit and
eventually nothing happened but it
is now also being discussed about extra
restrictions for unvaccinated people how
do you feel about that
well that seems very difficult to me
because as you said yourself are also
unvaccinated who have had regular
so they are no
risk at all
i think it is very difficult to make a
distinction there is also
talk about local look down yes in
places where the vaccination rate is layered
well then i think yes take a
look abroad in england is really
extensive in france also tried
in earlier phases Working on a local
lure totally failed, the
conclusion may be that we have to
learn to live with this virus again that may
never go away my life for
decades already with serious
influenza infections that also place a heavy
burden on the intensive care and
hospital capacity we have
also learned to live with that but we do not do that
completely for locked
especially to hear especially if you golden
young also say in the press conference that
we do it for healthcare and all
hobbyhorses to be taken out of the stable again
all leftovers are warmed up again all
the people we do it for but if
they say as doctors then this is the
solution
this immediately affects our work then
we can continue we have more staff
that can i do that then i think about it
once i think about it is the political
will there is also not there to solve the real
thing so what is or where is
this aimed
I do not know what is already show down from
the entire population there it seems
that every year there is an adage and that is
just everyone
and vaccinate
yes we have last year we
have been working on it a lot what are
the solutions to see how we have had with the
crown at the bottom and the boat
we are talking about social service obligations
others who get out of the stable again to have noise
from hybrid system in peaks
so we can solve it
I think we have to check a lot there
but at the moment there is such a
big problem in healthcare that we
can no longer handle regular care yes and that has nothing to do with
crowns so if you now
looking at hospitals means that
people just have problems to actually keep an
isee
also to keep this in
, the oa program has to be
abolished because not only because of
corona yes but because they are too few
staff, true that the type you
too say that that costs human lives that
the state must
be held responsible for this
whatever people do that those blind
spots are also there now but I experience
just their own course but this must of
course one day I must of
course that responsibility
must lie with the guilty you
could say power at the moment nothing
for this great so you
just solve this and I had a child doctor
yes but we are together yes we also
want to be there before the start and I
see that in the hospitals and I also see that
with a lot of colleagues who are in favor of
vaccination because there is really
only one solution to vaccinate everyone
because then we have less buy
patient and every patient on the IC is
one too many so we can no
longer think about this what is behind it what
is the great figuration ritual story
founded instead of we
all say as doctors also views you
choked but in but we can't
strike because we have to be there for our
patients and so we just
bet in a yes
in the situation where we can't and ca
n't get out well
but means that we
also call on all hospitals
to all doctors who also just notice
that that regular care is
actually under pressure that
we revolted there that we say
more money should be added to the
solution very short term because if we
don't do that anymore before the revolt
and maybe it's good because there are
a number of doctors who have indeed
uttered harder language new because ready now
but that we are bright spots
a colleague of yours maybe an
important colleague even the cio van het
oog and 2g maurice van den bosch
I have a
and now a good relationship with them via
twitter and I hope one day
maurice I now address you personally that you
will come and sit at the table with us
that we may interview you because I have
this man sitting very high also a bit of
emotion what's in it all my
children were born in the olvg
west in amsterdam travels cio of that
hospital group very good
hey memories of that hospital but
maurice van de bos is a special man
he speaks out and he sets
boundaries and that is very important because
it is now the time that we have to show our colors
you can not keep
swabbing it is now really just left
or right and we are going to look at a
fragment at Buitenhof but also a
hospital director is interviewed
by the residential house with the crucial question
are you going to use the qr code in the hospital
and then he comes with a cowardly
answer and then we think he is fed up there is
very unsatisfactory and that is not like
maurice van een bos that does luckily
what we look at that fragment would you
throw the previous hospital that and
both hospitals we you work that
everyone is checked may be
asked
are you vaccinated let that qr codes come into
us hospital not in
I think of exciting but I think you
how are you going to do something because we
have to come up with measures to
stop and we have to looking at which
measures hurt the least and which
measures have the most support
in society we will
ultimately benefit from this because then
they will also be complied with, namely
a bunch and yes this hospital director
just say it is an exciting
yes I will buy there completely nothing
exciting it's just the question what are
you going to do and maurice van den bosch she is
on linkedin we are concerned about the
developments of a possible QR code
in healthcare and take a clear
position in the board of directors
medical staff nursing
staff management open g read more al tg
no qr code in healthcare that's how it should be
in my opinion a just a choice
must be made no medical apartheid
seems to me a good thing very good
thing yes well I am very happy
with this and I know that it was not only
about this point of view, there is also
this moment, I believe that
a press release is also issued from several
hospitals i I thought so radboud and and
and yes there are a lot of
hospitals that are also somewhat connected to each other
that all have the same
point of view and I think that
we as doctors can also
let me know clearly boys
vaccinated unvaccinated it does
n't matter we are here for everyone
and that also applies to that I also sent an open letter
to diederik hommersen in the message
because I actually noticed that
choices were made to slip
into blaming the unvaccinated any more
than you may blame people who are
overweight or may blame people who
do dangerous sports
that is what solidarity is
understood for in the Netherlands and
that solidarity is really being
gnawed at and I am really afraid that we have
just reached a slippery slope
on which we are going to slide and with
messages like this from maurice and means
that there is happy because it is not just
it is it is the whole staff d who
stands behind it then marlies can't
even do
this one he needs the whole step for that
and the whole hospital has supported
it and that is so important between so
and that also means that we are good
people for vaccination so it's a can
stand next to and i'm not either i'm
danny against vaccinating about is also not
against recklessly implementing
a vaccine which is still not good in the morning
this is good if you had
appendicitis then
the policy could be that you then me
code needs to be treated [ __ ] what
I what I now worry circular pascal
york institutions that is that is very
intervention so and work for people here
so notice that you say yes my
brother surely know that people are
vaccinated because then they protect the other yes
then is it about how long ago were
you vaccinated
spring song actually see that after three
months
the contagiousness of someone who is
fully vaccinated is with that he had
fascinates is the same only the
duration that your contagious band is shorter
and is to the disadvantage of people who have been
vaccinated and yet are positive
that they do not notice that they have
symptoms so means that you also and yes if you have
symptoms you should stay home if you have
no symptoms so you are
vaccinated how do you know that you are
contagious and meanwhile he or more
up to 75 people you can go somewhere
to a festival
and so others can be infected again so that
means that qr code is not a
solution is simply no solutions
people should all lived say
boys we are equal we have a
democracy
we
must be treated equally
vaccinated unvaccinated but
then all together and
it may mean that we have to take a step
back to to be together with many
people because we know that we
infect each other
and we don't because it is very much in
agreement with young people in particular that t
just get them but it
is mainly that you my people have comics with
the
underlying suffering and that he will end up
on the IC
and then we should all bear
in mind guys why was
it also again that we have little IC
we still have to pick a
apple in the future yes at the moment
we have a serious one I also think it is
really dangerous what I also understood
from doctors so that people who
have to undergo surgery
you just have to quickly were not
that it is often told of well do
n't take the vaccine just yet because
I understood that sometimes do because the
operation can be the [ __ ] can
application ships and that is the framework
knee surgery point must rest but this
is exactly what you that
forces people to take a look
to undergo a treatment it breaks a
very dangerous one
I'll talk about ethics in a moment
we have got a good one
here too our right
Philosophy maybe you can bring her in in a
moment we are going to watch another fragment with you
that is a fragment of a professor
who was on radio 1 and that was
also about a piece of history awareness
because the problem we are
dealing with now is not new
i
have seen plenty of headlines from 2014
from 2016 from 2018 that the hospitals
also chock full of low that there was also postponed
the worries that diederik grommes
there he again
shouted that there was a problem that the ics
have to be picked up so it's a
problem that has been visible for the last 10 years
and occurs every year
in the flu season
so it's that saw that we
look at this like it's news let's take a
look at the fragment of that
professor at radio 1
happening before corona in the
autumn season more often that planned care
threatens to be canceled
yes certainly will of the planned care
is unfortunately a very frequent they
happen and that to sports too r
for crowns certainly a thousand flu season
yes so it is not a specific corona
problem
no it is so do not specifically give an
ordinary problem yes i would say
all information is there to look at this in a
perspective way but
toes of way
the politicians look away and we get stuck in
a shot of obsession that we
get a solution via a qr code that is of
course very practical and which
has also occurred year after year a
lot I yes I I I become
shocked and despondent when I see it but I
I'll show the fragment anyway because I
think people should see this continue to
see and it's nice that you joined
eva because we're also going to play with you about the
ethical matter maybe we ca
n't give you the now and say goodbye
to felix I would prefer
to talk with you for a whole evening we will
certainly do so and you will now be involved in black
box as an expert with
us final the future so thank you el
before you come eva come and stand in the
middle
you watched the press conference with us tonight
you are
philosophy of law you have an ethical
compass I know
you also look at it in a legal
way how do you have this charade
I am a bit suggestive of how
did you experience this press conference yes
well it was hallucinatory
it is full of the usual
toddler language of hugo de
Jonge and mark rutte
that is again the standard division
between hugo de jong and mark rutte and
mark rutte may be a bit the de
reasonable man and then you may play big
boy who is going full on the organ again
what for my contradictions was
full of false dilemma is also that he is now
more used to our caretaker cabinet
but I found this
very worrying especially because you
notices that there is going again on we
go you it is up to you the
behavior this is you dried
that yes yes absolutely go to the
first It is said of course that they do
not want to exclude anyone and then
you all say stories about that
actually all my fault was what
vaccinated it also painted yes yes
so that is there there is nature can be a
huge gap it is just not right
but also the measure that there are now on the
table again measure layouts and jerk
just the instructions that do absolutely
nothing and have something to do with the cooks
health and you also know it
is going to get worse so what was what i
found most shocking i think about this story
now again that series yes we are going in
a few days already November 12th it was
said we are going again moment of
reflection in loose speed up very very
fast and measure the light that no yes
we no
not yes and then copy all those the
incubation time or whatever meters
completely
yes
irrational yes there are also
expectations that it is
going to do things today the measures they
had already implemented would have
already works then we would not have been in
the situation we are in now
so it turns out every time he
had entered address instructions
that do not have the desired effect
and instead of being said
just hey wait a minute the religious
do not cooperate measures do not
let it
stop it gets worse every time and the
scapegoat
is pointed out there again because
this case so the om vaccinated mark
rutte admits that very
little ok for you we make something of it
distinction
it's okeyy there something gets a little
harder you
yes what the officer answered hits but
what this comes down to is that they are
going to look at the figures on november 12th
it will of course not be any better
will there still go then i will go somewhere offer
the winter is of course an input
arrival and then what is the story well
then we'll see if that qr
code can be entered in the
workplace darth a law iging
needed yes the was already said we have
a period of never of about 5
weeks will know so it will
never come again that you go to a fragment which
we of course have from hubert bruls the
man yes i can't help but the make a lame
comment that with a BMI of 40
plus wants to explain to us healthy people
how we should stay healthy
I think it's crazy for words
something to think about here
and this man sat at the Buitenhof as a
buffer is
right that
Buitenhof twan huys en there how did
he learn about the introduction of the qr code
at work take a look
hubert bruls you will be meeting with the
mayors in the netherlands tomorrow chair
of the security council i
assume you will also be discussing what
should happen if then you lie that proposes
you what should happen this is the
main theme a possible situation there will
be I think you have two sides also
we need the teacher
the some non-binding advice to keep distance
from each other n they have to have
compelling words again I personally
am really in favor of reintroducing the
legal regime of that
one and a half meters away that's the
best sizes 9
already say experts have to
promise to see that especially among
non-vaccinated people is
now a big problem what also extends
to the occupation in hospitals and
I think that the crown the admission ticket
that we now have should be used on a larger scale
, as far as I am concerned, even
with employers, which is not
allowed by law now, I think you really need robust
measures there, so a robust extension has
to be put on the table, which means
that in practice because the employers
are not allowed to process now no it is not allowed
you vaccinate too late that
I live there see that qr code so what
do you propose that asks the
amendment to the law the cabinet has
hinted that they have in itself well
considered I would be very
strongly aware that if we already had flin I
get infected and that they have the
tragic effect of those two weeks
before the real need
for the care vesten institution comes yes then
you have to change the law earlier today
and tomorrow a course of action
yes hubert bruls wants robust measures,
namely that kind for whoever recognizes
him maybe tick well as seen in the
mirror looks at me smart but that's this
man all talk about unvaccinated
faction this is not a doctors chairman of
the security region
there was clearly put down just like
someone like french carpenter to lecture us
this is a man from actually he was
also one of the first follow me
and the media that started off for
quarantine duties for
unvaccinated have forgotten
that in groningen is kind of in the
hospital and ward for people to
be quarantined
they does have a bit of track
records with dropping
the bomb, so that's what he
thinks too put down
what ethical boundaries are
crossed here as far as you are concerned here already
in this way also with the dog run
house reacts to it from the
swinging layers of it do you
see that that that sentiment actually
creates
what becomes here a group is being systematically
designated as the culprits
that are the unvaccinated that happens
constantly
that does not only roars of course
that does it the caretaker cabinet
actually all the time that the media
that it is constantly you or afterwards the
medical support for
it I always ask myself if you think
about the fact the team qr codes that are now
being heard about as in you that
means that the unvaccinated can
actually not participate at all from
social intercourse and she who has
constant confirmation corona so make
it makes sense
that they are the ones who pandemic
then would propel the forward but that is the
most women ethical is of course true
that creating at all one of those
without pants is that you hate your foot in
amhali you can really do that i think that
can have a social break table you actually see
all that and that is very serious and if
you are going to introduce that in the
workplace yes then can all those stories
that we still have now when it
comes to where i even if it is no longer me
enormous there are about restaurant about museums
says not essential
no one is forcing you to yes [ __ ] be here
you don't have to go to the theater yuri
show gagarin pitaya but yes internal
there it gets exciting because that's what
it's about people's livelihood that's
not a free choice if you have whole
sentences two you have to go to work
you really get off the couch now so you this
is just isn't even more desk it was
also warm but this is
actually the factor directions
vaccination obligation if your skin
is going to undertake them the quality of life is say
no you can no longer go to work
then we are there
and we are going there too come
the fact that it is said well we
need about 5 weeks for
it where is our second chamber where is
the democratic legitimacy yes or
loafing since when is this all possible this
is how it always goes you know the roulette
measures leaked through the press and then
debate in the second chamber have apparently
all started to find normal where this
will probably be crossed this border that will now probably be
crossed will be
written down on November 12th is now
going very quickly and it is very bad that there is a
supplier someone you because we
are now talking about it crossing
boundaries but there will be another level it
is natural scaling down from g3
to g2 has given me that hot season it
too no it has already been enjoyed have someone
can you people who don't know yet it
is now if you want to use making the
crown to check-up I don't do it on
principle because I don't want this system
institutional it just can't come
so would advise everyone even if
you are vaccinated is your right but
don't use that thing because you will get
a system of annoying and that's what
istanbul to do is not that hard
to understand
but the system is now vaccinated on 3g or g3
you are vaccinated you are cured or
you have been tested
what are they going to do now they are going to get tested
so you are either
vaccinated or you are cured cured
means that you have just had it
before you have to test again first i will
never and never get tested not even when
i feel sick principle issue you have had
yourself tested and then you get
proof that you have had a crown and then
you are if you are willing to use
that qr code again so you
have a geertje in your 2g system from the
regular check app but cured means
that after half a year your healing
ends there is an expert rode reed oh
it is too bizarre for words immunologists
know that
healing of a virus
can be for a lifetime because the cross
immunity is only against
Nowadays, immunity no longer exists dwo has also
abolished it for the sake of convenience,
so that means if you are cured
that you are entitled to
a qr code for six months that you should not
take anyway and that you will still have to let yourself after six months
vaccinating suggested
money is therefore me there is only one way
and it is that you have to get
vaccinated
welcome to human
rights and all indirectly yes because
that is that is so the whole point is that
you also notice from that press conference what
they to do every time is to say yes but yes if
those figures keep uploading then it is as if
we are going to introduce measures that make those
unvaccinated even more and more
strangely said and that distinction
will become greater read we are going to discriminate even more
or we have to go to the whole
society lock so that
according to dilemma presented by
the stokers the
unvaccinated scapegoat and as
culprit
that's the way they do it so
that hate and also the desire of people to get
out of this misery because most
people turn and you are so done with it
yes well is so he was dead and is
author again is to look at so the
chemistry is designated instead of too
looking at god actually offers it to us
who stops us in this current and
does it actually also fall under
convincing of and was
rutte and dejong also talking about
wanting people to be convinced are afraid
of the sermon and the there are dogs and
for flow reality glasses and if people
agree to take away from civil court my
on that contractor but that if you
really would like to convince people that it is
safe and goats that threaten you
can no longer go to work and can get
out and you are whole life social
life is stopped
do you think that this will be a threat
it is a bit so that people
also of their own volition
so commonplace on march passionately
get rid of him no of course not I think
a boy is this persco nference
mean it to the vaccinated no
the limitation painter is addressed to that
vaccinated
to
grow the annoyance I think and eventually frank ahuja funeral action
yes because they feel cheated because
they have we are now at a good
deed we are doing have done everything with
were jumped every hoop and he
has to throw we still do
the one and a half meters the mouth caps and that
's yes because someone that measure is of
course very strange this year if you are
the first I'm actually there
how we agree with you but it is very
sad that a kind of popular
incitement is really being created from one
group against others yes then you can
no longer speak of good intentions or
am confused no I don't think so either
think about a given moment even if you
had good intentions in the beginning when you
see the effect of your policy
and i think this is also such a car
that is open now there is that you hit from hugo
de Jonge she so u I really want to
call that addressing a
passionate and indeed say yes
you have to do this for the other while
the truth does not matter anymore when
with was with the two no system if it
really were about public health
then the only one that you know for sure that
he didn't live were that one that was tested
and proof that just went to
near people are cured you are
expected sneered we don't know for
sure
look chance of course with all kinds of
stories about the infection ships
chance in the greater knowing what is already
hanging if it had to be about
that would be the right tested the safest
participants in the public existence
but logic appearance no everything that
once paul was now under anderson and that
's what fear manipulation and guide does
with a people after two years of lessons want to get
rid of it and are susceptible to it and it's
just bad for you
the mouth
again
everyone
's mouth caps there of course always
z o the door and to have I was always
said is a blanket
to remind people that we are dealing
with the family and know why the
one and a half meters could go off because of the
crowns of a receipt there was it is
a month and a half later you back again
as if everything also disappears in the
memories we still have a fragment if
it is about
popular incitement and about the magazine walloon
of every form of ethics have
francisco van jole and fallen star that
yes also on a radio program i do
n't know where it was with me bnf
actually just says if you do
n't get vaccinated
yes then you just die let's take
a look
and you have the care that is now
scaling up again all with fear and
trembling looks at the autumn by the way the
flu to go professional contract and we
are already so busy
that worry you could also have relieved that worry on your own
by taking that
can francisca quite spicy house
frank what she had the boy here does yes
he is still mild and because he says you
put another place someone who has a
crown aleid in a hospital who
takes the place of three others of
3 goes out because the because they need special
delivery care the
load they cause
what do you think about his house lost well
that seems clear to me that also seems to me that
he should do it I that that this is you
and you agree well yes yes
it here slightly unnecessary in the
hospital if you call a vaccine a vaccine
what you didn't end up
with so now they are getting sharper
in that and that boy that d'azyr just
like the yes we have those vaccines
people take because he sees those worries
again very much saves like you do now
in that it worked quite a hard line that
he actually says his own fault
big bump
yes and I think that those emails also sofa
while that is not even actually the
attitude of doctors still archer
are very different in that
everyone should helpe n no matter I
fight onions on principle I thought
about that issue also when I
drove here I would rather be hungry
than eat the animal and well that is a
consequence of that so I can understand
if you are principled but
that so also means that you are there and at
the show but because I am vegetarian it
is not the case that you have to
lead hunger and that is what they do and
it goes wrong as you can
see if you do decide then you should
not will have a hospital bed
for example actually yes what time it is
then for example I think taking is also
not medical treatment we will die nice
I'm saying something else why they want
what I want here I want
yes yes
go but nice and dead well on
inciting inciting
is also a bit about it I am a
bit laughed at the table
alias existed that it rather human
you believe that of cisco for jews none
and chickens tonight if you are really
hungry of good so the beautiful
words for the stage beautiful words but
so just like a human being of course very
good always show the best side
and in this time
she really presents herself as koran
clearers
ab osterhaus what is also such a beautiful
text those people who there
him and island but that can't do anything because
that's not allowed or it's not possible but that
would be the ideal solution if you
or more of the unfortunately you ca
n't recognize vaccinated by the nose
that was also a florian trainer I am
myself who could you way and the nose
fences that it were the jews
but i can't say that no you can
never use it yourself if i'm right that there is
a smaller scale quarrel and when
you come to recover is aloy snares
we also had a look together neat
conference and fell from one
surprise into the other but then again
not it is just the same
thing they noticed the most yes let
me introduce myself to annelies
trekkers is me got her I confessed
for the blackbox yes confessed for the
blackbox work but if there is new we go
it is now that a lot of people
come every time
I got to know annelies under the
name of bow tie on twitter and she makes
every press conference a list of
the questions that are not asked we
will go through the jury to that
there are a lot as you know and i enjoy
every guy reading that list cover of
oh i hope someone from rtl asks that question
but it never happens and you have now
watched the press conference with us again
and you have made a whole list of
questions
and well I have yes I question under it is too
long
give us your top three questions
that should have been asked annelies
well I have a book with me caught
because
well the extension of the qr code in
swimming pools and gyms
has been named by the way I think that's very
good
I want for that wax from sbs is
kudos because he also has messages
from me on tw itter he asked a number of
very critical questions
and one of the most important questions
for me was the alignment of the qr code in
swim but go to gyms
because
when it comes to health you are going to put up
a barrier to process your
health that that leads to city is a strug
le for me and that he al
o asked that question and that was also one o
the most important questions for me, in ad
ition, I had him ask about mark zippe
s, who was interviewed a while ago that
t is impor
ant to know whether vaccinated people are also other
infecting people because if
vaccinated infect other people
then my crown is meaningless so yes
I really wanted to know from mark rutte
why he still defends those crowns
and even out of price
because yes that does not match with his
earlier statements that question has not been
asked no those questions have not been asked and
question that has not been asked and yes that
that burns on my lips are the questions
about the rivm that I save came out ago
with a public message
in which they indicate that four out of five
Crohn patients would be him unvaccinated
hugo who she is very verbose about who
mentions it actually in every interview
he does or in the second room
he mentions that and yes those questions have not been
asked because
for the underlying investigation something is
released due to your data something is being
released
today is here again
talked with pain of hacks about there
is also actually that
motion has been rejected for that
because under grind taken looking to
release and yes I would really like to know
why hugo refuses to give those figures he
because that
could restore confidence in the
rivm
will say it say yes we will
not release it because it is at
odds state with haha the privacy the a
king that question is also mistrust yes a
erection are you would it will just be ab
e to have a bell team actually how you d
e re
already have that how all data
have you can make it
private yes so you don't even have to
explain it it's total nonsense privacy
has nothing to do with raw data becomes
a ghost was sacred and yes yes we will
also take a look
around to reinforce this
this ridiculous argument with a
fragment of the belgian health
minister of flanders belgium
naturally consists of wallonia and flanders
and all have their own health missis
ministers but there is a flemish giant on
health minister and who tells how
it is with the ratio of vaccinated to
unvaccinated and there absolutely
no privacy is violated but the numbers
are there let's see
39.2 of the patient in brussels were
fully vaccinated 47 out of 120
70 point nine percent of the patients
in flanders 236 out of 333
and 40 % of the only 40 percent of
patients in Wallonia under two in
255
in the past week from Saturday
October 16 to and with Friday October 22
worthy 46.7 percent of patients
admitted to intensive
care fully vaccinated
that 46.7 percent on those days
were so 70 out of 150
broken down by region, these
percentages are 22 poles 2%
even on 27 of the patients in brussels
60%
39 out of 65 of the patients in flanders
and 43 comma one percent 25.8 and 25 out of 58
of the patients in wallonia
yes and I will simplify it a little bit
the calculation on balance is that 56
versus
44 percent is at a disadvantage
of your good boy's story because 56
percent is vaccinated in those
provinces in Belgium
there are a lot of people the
majority is vaccinated in
hospitals and no privacy has been
violated and sure enough we have
information so it is possible it is possible and if
the rivm does not have the data that
would be very strange in my opinion they could call in
and call team
because the are currently around 200
people also dc well you could just
say we'll call around for a few days then
you'll have the information in no time
it seems very simple to me but now
refused yes my idea is that he
refuses because the figures are something
different huh yes you have been very fine the last few
months been active as research of the
mistaken with you also made two
reports about and yes and now sour
issue in kerkrade
how did that put you
on the map I would almost say career now
because you you were actually
just a mother sitting at home who through
the pandemic could not work and now you are
working on the matter day and night you yes that is
right yes I have a lot of work on it yes
I am actually working on it day and
night
what what what what drives you
that I let my children focus and
eyes on how looking that drives me
that I have not sat on the couch and
I have done and let everything pass me by
degrees but to just
participate while I thought this is not
quite right
yes and my curious nature also just
yes that seems to me also that is recognizable
to you what she says well i don't have
any children yet but
this is definitely something i
think about yes of course do this is this is going so
incredibly wrong
so i think that we have to be
very fast and the level then you
see you speak out against it of course we do that
too but also so much can keep
people with us who see this and
hope that more people
will see inconsistencies of this policy
and see that it does not go away through your
tank to be further scared that it does not
go away by bending and that it
only comes with she all says involve here
border no further
nicely spoken eva and we are going to
watch another painful fragment of minister
flower shoe that red boy who introduces the qr
code in all unreasonableness
and during that fragment we are going to say
goodbye to these two beautiful ladies
and someone else will come to the table with kees
van der arrow the author of this
insanely interesting book p anemia
of fear in which he actually explains in an
intellectual way what is
really going on and how much is
manipulated and how and yes and a
pandemic or what you could call the
epidemic or at least something
is capitalized with a virus to a
different society what we first
look at your gods young ones
brace yourself but you have
to see it
and I'll walk past those measures with you
where visitors are already asked for a corona
ticket, for
example in the catering industry we want that
the employer also asks his employees and
corona admission ticket In
addition, we also want to make it possible for
employers in other
sectors to opt for corona
admission tickets in order to ensure
a safe workplace that option is
not an
obligation we also want to offer care for
both employees in care as well as
for visits to care institutions
such as nursing homes
and tot Finally, we want to be
able to introduce the corona admission ticket in a
different place where many people gather every day,
for example in shops where
you go for things other than your
daily shopping in jargon, this is
called the non-essential retail sector,
but also in zoos and amusement parks, in
short, a further broadening
We also want to be
able to use these measures specifically in villages and cities
where we have the most people to protect
, so where the vaccination rate is
low and the number of infections or
hospitalizations is high
, so these measures do not take effect immediately
but those preparing this requires a great deal of
consultation, for example with employers and
employees, that requires the approval of
parliament that requires time and
care and based on a
new recommendation, we will reassess the situation
and on 12 November
we want to decide whether and how to
proceed with this measure
yes
hugo de Jonge about the introduction of the
qr code and I don't think I
need to add much to it how realistic
it sounds what is going on here has come to me
has come to us
kees van de arrow and former
professor emeritus professor no longer
active at the university of sussex
were you active political political
scientist I say it right
this is the book
pandemic of fear with the subtitle
stepping stone to a totalitarian society
well have a nice evening in advance
question drawing is this possible as long as the
question mark can get rid of yes please
with I just wanted to
eat sobering things discussed with each other chapel
and why is this not offered.be
we try to get a grip on it
and something to hold on to, also think well to indeed
delve more into the philosophical
side of the issue or psychologist already can
there is the weather you see she
heights well when you consider that right now
in the hague i would someone just showed me
on his phone
people flocking together being kicked
this did nothing but hit anne
a kind of noise protest and yes that
police meta in The Hague well guess what
that reminds you that in essence a very
fundamental right has been abolished
and that again raises the question where what
do we make now actually along and my feeling
is more and more that yes from the
nineties we have to deal with a
series of emergency situations that have been
called out to get a restless
population and round yes yes and
and that actually goes is older than choir
oh oh yes you go to those lips and make your
hands your own that afterwards jaramillo
where you have to note
that at the time it happened it was of
course completely out of mind as a plan
and the headset
let's say the conspiracies also
always have a large component improvisation
and unexpected event, but yes,
we are now in the situation where a
lot of what people have learned from those
previous major incidents
where always there is also a component of
truth in it, but at the
same time it also contains the people flight elements,
so that you play for it, which is in
reality a completely different structure,
learned so much from it that
I think one has a golden grip with the virus
has done because you
can get the population to a large extent with
it in its own subjects and that
is what is happening at the moment music
what is shy the fear that is the title
for boy those hands that fear is
only about it is also now it's also
conformism it's also
in a country like the
netherlands I'm sorry to say but of course we
have an enormous
collaboration tradition where people always
have they say oh well it's
just that way let's play along
where there's a girl can just name the things here
yes yes thank you
just pronounce them but that's
what they learn case he loste house dare
to say that you can
not recognize an unvaccinated person by the nose d and with that
made an insinuation that I cannot
import otherwise than with that
he published a because of that you can't do
something about them
yes you are going to put them away as a
population group and that he is there for
destruction the vehicle a group a
certain group that they able to recognize
and operate it but that's in
it and also look at my feelings also
that
if this was the first press
conference I see what is bad for health
then to look at this kind of idiot
but well this is but let the petty
criminals leave we don't forget that
the great powers behind the scenes that
sounds a bit mysterious
but there are ordinary ones you can also identify all of
them are partly done in my book you have earned more
but they are those great powers already said
very nice look we we have
never been in lesson in this has been there
except maybe if you are a single
chinese emperor or something or nero in
ancient rome
that there was one people who have such enormous
private power that they can launch all their
own idiosyncrasies like pinwheel
political themes
so bill gates' obsession with
vaccination strategy
with
genetic engineering of both plants
and humans that's
what used to be let's say this 30
years ago would have been restricted due to the limitations of
his ability
,
but now there is no racing pigeons in the
world that come out without
bill gates having put his ring on his leg you
understand the in that respect that
man has a power of such an
absurd amount for
size and the same goes for jeff
bezels
just look at the list of all
times i was the pope of course
amazon in the first place these are
all examples of people with
such a social economic and
ideological reach that they
yes i am daisy also far beyond the power
of the average rich
and national politics can't really do
that first offer you say that's
important he doesn't want that either look
there if you see the two gentlemen who
have just given their tragicomic
display again if you take it if you take
the size of that then i would
say rutte is a cynic who
probably still he has a number of
hobbies he has a very
vulnerable back the boy is an exchangeable
young ignoramus
we need no further words to
say these are the performers of a and yes
a sermon I can keep we kept saying a
preventive counter-revolution people turn
to is so got scared of this call
it the game I also do it for what purpose I want
to 100 your analysis but have written this book
annemie of the fear tailor-made step
towards a totalitarian society you
are 74 years old
you have had to hand in your position as a professor
at the university of sussex
because then you once had it anyway no then
i was just told me no
no i was already retired
yes and then i got a case said about
is there already he nine eleven den do the
israeli and propaganda machine
for that was put in position and then
she wanted me to take that back and then
i said well in that case i take
back my emeritus title so i did it
myself but also good in our having
to hand in why that stands for
your opinion
yes no I came to you in this situation this
pandemic call it this but it is also the
title that is also the question about
the pandemic definition question when will
you come to the point of this is not in the
hook they are there to
do well without a name a whole life
critical and history i have about
these demos one situation march immediately
after that went then but that
has to do with the fact that i was already talking about nine
eleven knew a lot about emma 17
i wrote a book and so i
already knew that what we are told
is absolutely not true but soft
in touch yes well do this then
wouldn't dare go that far when
studying running from the road I found
out that much earlier than I could have
ever imagined people were already working on the
virus route as a possible disciplining
strategy that is that that
has baffled me the invisible
enemy ideal right yes yes but indeed
because look at
it combines of we were also afraid
of that but there was an opponent who
could counter your own propaganda
even wma 17 which of course
we have our backs about and a
number of others who could withstand fire
with the virus 3 and 4 speaks something
that did not come to say that they were one of those
goods because I am what is being blamed on me here
, so in that sense it
is a genius move and there were already
large-scale exercises
around and a pandemic
scenario for countries so at the beginning of
2001 there was already a very large exercise was
dark winter and yes in the mid
90s then the search actually
started
how can we discipline an increasingly restless
population
because of a fear of politics well if we
look back then we always see fear
political fear of terrorism fear
of putin
now fear of a virus
yes and the question arises from where the
haste and me if you just in that know
it in that press conference there you see
that it is now November 2 by November 12,
people apparently already know enough whether it was
successful or not and a
harder line will therefore be taken that
leaves him aiming so thickly on top
well I only have one explanation for that
and that is that those who
can't
think of another word want to implement this console revolution
become afraid of
being in control of this process are in a
hurry they are in a hurry and that is
the niro window of opportunity
closing is also a good sign and what
claw sleep
euro 14 spoke yes yes is a behold
corner is also only his book reset the great
that he says we now have a
huge opportunity to create a new
society namely a fully
digitali It is a good idea
to introduce a control society, but you must bear in mind
that that possibility is not endlessly
given, hurry up and I also mention
it somewhere that the company edelman
that is a PR agency which in the
yes what tells some stories and and and
delivers stories of how you present a
certain social crisis per
situation in such a way that people
think yes that is a logical ailment that
they have a specialty
and they have all preparatory
meetings they play an important role
especially fighting what she called
the info that now so it danger of
dissent what to do with
that
and they said in January 2021
the grand plan to
scare people at once so that the entire
population is injected with
unknown
drugs has failed because one of the
things that never happened was foreseen that was
that there would be a stalemate between
a
vaccinated
majority of the population and a and a
minority that
actually yes of those people never
expected that they would arise like this oh yes and
that yes that is not foreseen when
you look at what worked a lot of
people woke up yes and and they
believed too much in their own story yes
well yes I don't think they have ever
done what they are doing now so I'm looking for an
experiment german that it is very
important that you have a glimmer of hope
yes well we it is more than a
glimmer what look the great thing is that the
entire digital society that also
allows some yes say truly
democratic
process that
yes you could
say bean that the people who
can benefit from that actually have little
awareness yet but the rulers the
more understood that and the ethics
more i don't talk about the young and rutte
necessarily but the people who want in
the world thick I decided to get
together there set the tone who
have understood before this goes a
democratic turn we must
have made sure that everyone
oh yes let's say
vaccinated against covert him and there you
hear more in gent than just
an ice cream goal that everyone is this
ingrid because it only has everyone who has a
pass no you well look at that and that
is so genius that deep you have to
get that pass preferably on you in your
body
because then you can't leave it at
home i had to
depend on her for yes exactly and and that 4
so is so genius
because then you can
stand water on the people
in the district assuming that it
concerns health that is the
but yes i know a few people
before I came here it was impressed on
me mainly says something
positive and give a perspective but
that is not so easy because we
will still put up a huge yes we do
have a few positive things and we are going to
close the media in a moment
kees i want you anyway appalled thank him
for coming and your contributions and I
also want to recommend everyone to read this book
pandemic of fear is
we will add a link
late tonight or tomorrow morning in
the description or on the blog of our
website where you can already
order these stockings well not commercially
what we deserve not to your purchase
there is an
info demi in an information war and
information yes and they have to understand what
there is a hand and tell each other
and it is an oil slick yes that is also a
bridge to the guests who have to
join now because we are in the Netherlands,
unlike Belgium, for example,
where the goal is resistance, no youtube
channels,
no platforms that are located again, no
drinks or magazines.
you have a
knowledge through the common sense newspaper
and we are going to get that too now
and the other newspaper and we will
talk with you again what there are
well shelves of hope that there are in any
case a bit of resistance is to the
democracy that is collapsing
were hardly any freedom of the press is
yes to get a little
fire so yes kees i want
to thank you for your attendance and there was
another one and sander here and
then we will go back and talk about these
great initiatives because they have been active for a
while
and the other side is also republished this moment
as a weekly
newspaper
welcome
anne
maybe you can
spoon between sander and you
anne you are involved at the common
sense newspaper yes it's been a year already
a year under the auspices of karel van
wolferen the great man of the lfc from the
past yes this is the last common
sense cramp rijpink is right number 27
and number 28 went to the
printer today yes and the special thing is
that he would be hungry and at the beginning of
the year in the second room and
unleash it all so that this leaf what just
light in the bruna
yes it b este but
could lie with the fable newspaper because people were not supposed to
read this, so
this newspaper was discussed in the second room and the
nice thing is that after that especially the edge
has become popular and the nice thing is
that there are very nice cotton I see
I also met a number of those
cotton artists they are
super creative people who
sketch their world view in a picture
anne how did you get involved how
did you get involved in this this
this flat because you are still very young and especially you are not
about this and we we
we came well anyway I used to be
from the always that annoying child who
raised his hand from but why
just why we don't have a title for you
I think but this is all willemsen and
you are what function do you have in
common sense newspaper i am actually
operational manager operational no
more than we have at least
untitled team introduced but
tell me how are you so delicate really
came well and actually that
inquiring look from baron well i was
very much expressed when i was not allowed on a
ski holiday during the first
lockdown announcement
and i wanted to know
why is this being taken from me now and i just
didn't get it and i get it but
not it really did that child in me come
back from but why then why and
I could ask no one would mark
rutte say yes the viruses yes that
will be the virus but it was
not logical and clear to me and maybe a
little more logical
yes, I am not logical for the web
and
that was expressed at various
network drinks he who was still
allowed to sort of
ended up with the right people through my education
where I actually already
started doing study avoidance voluntary work for
common sense and that is already
more than a year ago and you
you just graduated from nijenrode
university so you are
intelligent we can say
how did you and the other students
experienced that you were active at such a dissident
magazine or did you conceal that
coracle can you just tell that
well it is actually a huge
struggle because the beginning of my
education
is very physical so is the university of
nijenrode also aimed at getting a
lot of physical lessons, that is
also teachers are flown in, the
professors are flown in and that fell
apart completely and when everything had to be online
, we were no longer even given the opportunity
to talk to other students about
what was going on was because the minute
that the lecture is finished
the power button was pressed there was
no interaction at all so
actually I don't know yes next to you
is sander campaign maybe
you can grab the microphone
sander you are
founder and the cart puller of the
other newspaper I will also keep him in
the air for a while I hope he is well in the
picture and a very nuanced tit el
the other newspaper
and now you recently have a
weekly Saturday edition yes this he published
this cs4 so hate day edition
that they switched four weeks ago
you for cool theme newspapers
from 2018 have published 12 theme newspapers
on all kinds of themes that
we found that is very one-sided were
discussed in the regular media and well,
this summer decided that
we had to take a step and that we
want to publish a regular Saturday newspaper, so it also
covers all topics
why the other newspapers with the title
it is clear to you it is a different newspaper
but what makes this newspaper so different
from another yes and a laundry
newspaper no we do not have taboos
everything may be subject in wrestling
hand and that regular by my are a
lot of subjects or
in six points around subjects so
after all declared taboo why
people get a one-sided picture
of reality charles van wolves you
call it the fully written real ity and
I think that is a very big danger in
a free democracy
there are the pillars a free press
in my opinion is a whole more and more
we spoke of and I myself am a newspaper
and love today my youth all my
happiness took my happiness will in a
hit Saturday morning cup of coffee you
can read that was taken from me and I think
well then my mission will be because
to give back to the Netherlands
and therefore also a newspaper in which it deals
with heavy themes, but we also pay a
lot of attention to the great
developments that are going on there where
it is also about sports culture
of music about everything so we
really want to publish a very broad newspaper
and with that a lot of people
who have turned away from
reading
the newspaper returned the newspapers the title
knows a bit the
shell in the making on both earn that
also goes for cultural aspects
where people will get a completely different click so yes
call on the readers
group replace of this came a
bit of a mouthpiece of the same but at the
same time we also want the newspaper to
be accessible to people who
might not know about you yet
is also suitable for people who really just
think I think something else is going
on here our ambition it is
our ambition that we are
accessible to everyone the parties is that
it might well be given up and people who
already read a regular media so let's
make up so really quickly get to know the
stories that we include in our newspaper
but yes we are always approachable if
people have any
questions we will answer them we will always be ours it is
always with reference to both
sides it is real season is
bringing this product we have a number of
core values and the first is integ
ity to bring back the led integrity in
the printed there is
other side very layer by layer we the
concept was of we have a theme
account and were more than a hundred
d distribution locations in the country all
people who also feel some urgency and
who ran off with the newspaper so
our largest at low as 1.1 million
and now it was only 10,000 so I have
to get used to our lower
circulation again you against what do you
need to keep it is with apple and
behind him and question of money or no
no we are we have a lot
of subscribers and i with subscriptions
we have more than 100 g cup locations
so on our website from the
fill in zip code and then you can see where they
buy newspapers the model has completely
changed and we didn't really have a
revenue model
if we had some money in the account started
printing presses and started printing but
now we really have to make a company
everyone with us for the same paid wants to
sow a professional organization and
that will just go away step by step I
can use your help could you
we encourage people who
perhaps now mainly care about publishers or or
or large groups ote players journalists
can still feel real journalists
a lot of people give their opinion in
this time that everyone has an opinion
about what is happening but really the
journalistic handiwork so if we are
naturalist or a hundred you just
graduate from
journalism school sign up
and for the rest the newspaper buys because we
need income sales from
subscriptions
so that is our raison d'être
is that even
if the internet were to crash whatever
reason it is in the coming months that too
well we are both through you say but
then you would read the race then
they just become that picture that if we
still need people who keep real
customers are watching we can arrange our
process in such a way that we can all
praise the newspaper but you are
dealing with a printing company
that is completely set to exactly
but is all living nearby it will
happen once and then we want to
continue just from our newspaper yes but
yes the nice thing is, look again we
suffer from censorship
videos that are removed maastricht
you can print it completely
and it is at someone's home it can
no longer be censored by pray
that was really the statement but framework of
wolferen his magazine started me and
why are you about fell it is
printed with does not expire in
cyberspace it can no longer be
censored we have been around for
over a year now and read it back
it is actually a reporter the
way of telling what is happening at the
moment how negative that is
sometimes but they can no longer ignore it
but I also saw that
you have the kind of bundle that you
have and because they are of course really
nice cartoonish books or whether
magazines have a bundle that you can use the
whole cluster together of the whole
year has it is almost a kind of gift
yes correct the cartoons are really
synonymous with what common sense
stands for so are w e started immediately and that
is also yes unfortunately jumped gift for or
we are not so that's why I
'm standing here that is really thanks to him
that he
can name very heavy themes
but if you prefer it too heavy on
it put away for a while
look at the cartoons
exactly because of sets and cynicism in
them now and then and tears now and then with
a smile
but that is something that is
very characteristic of a magazine and what
is already after a year 24
release songs in a very nice year edition can
indeed also be purchased because
it is really seen as collectors
items are just people
who email me who say yes I want it
in my yes almost included my
will that grandma could already see that
it
went this way
even though there are still a lot of people
who just by the name of common
sense put it in the garbage
unfortunately nicely spoken anne thank you
sander we are also going a bit towards
the finish g we try to finish around 10 o'clock
they still have 20 minutes
a person I would like to have the
bee and that is olaf safe of choice
free with me maybe you
want to go get him and then we wait
for olaf belg
hello valor is
a very
special
sensitive
guy who started with the platform
first breath free with me and later with
free choice with me so changed day by day
welcome i already introduced you
as a sensitive man and that is
not a word in my opinion spanish bye bye ya and olaf
have therefore founded choice free with me
and how
yes is
appropriate that he is in this time yes
certainly yes that the freedom of choice
seems to be taken away from us to decide for ourselves
about what we mean by our
body
but also where we go inside go and
do not go in and the platform
briefly explain in a few sentences what is
choice free with me for the people
who may not know yes I will
do that sensitive thing for a
while want to give to the people here is
a short invitation and that is that
tonight a lot of
things have been told again and that can
evoke things fear anger insecurity you
can go to your head and
think solutions it is cetera et cetera
an invitation for the people please
tonight even if it is only 10
seconds to also feel what tonight does to
you
because in the end there lies the freedom
so not outside changing things
but by feeling what this is doing to
me now
and becoming free from that that that is also
allowed then you take ownership of
your reaction to the outside world and then
you can create your own path so I thought that was
very important to give sensitively now because you say
yes wonderful that you say that I
think the intentions of this entire
broadcast I woke up last night at 04:00
and I couldn't sleep anymore I
thought
we should do something about this and it is quite
ad hoc
devised to broadcast a live
broadcast today producing with another
fantastic out group of people who are also
behind the camera and
helped who feel the same from
guys this this this this might be
a big moment where a lot of
people are sitting at home who are sad
who feel lonely who
feel desperate and yes what do you do with
that emotion you then you can of course get
angry it is bottled up inside you you can
polarize you can start
tweeting angry but you can also try to
do something constructive with it in
your life
it is not easy for everyone
to do that but it is our tasks
I think to turn lovingly continue
to remain empathetic and to look for
the solutions and the opportunities that
lie there and you choose to do that with
me the study dusty's and that's why I have
you too with clamps please come and you could
not actually year and this is that your
baby and you came anyway
war I was the fantastic because you also understand
how important it is to to be
here your and yes vroom to bring this also
and that choice for me asks in
two sentences after it is a platform where
you find suppliers so mencey product
a service life where you always
remain welcome and we do it all in
the publicity in the light that
is very important to us and they show
people with interviews pictures of
everything from bicycle shops to
drugstores the cda who say yes you
stay here and welcome that was
always so normal so that's choice
women me and i came here today
i was able to arrange that and also thanks to
the mother of my child
because i think it is important to bring this also
focusing this sound
don't stop what is challenging but
accept it and then go focus on what
you do crayer that
yes because we can do so much more
yes that you and and and this this this is
ultimately also a distraction in my
life that I now with all conversations and
certainly not with you also
what I with that pe rs conference already
forgotten within the kind talk to you
with real people and they all
have their own processing about what happened
and anja stock jew or feeling and
what is very good I think yes it is
all it is therefore a yes you busser
too make yes and and that everyone will
realize that that freedom lies within you
yes if you can cope and that's what we
all have to do now when
people learn to really grow up
because it's about a kind of short kind
awareness too if you now get
angry with hugo
then imagine it is kind of
a child in the class who
wears funny shoes and does funny things
and gets that attention if
you get angry with the child then it
does not help keep getting your attention
it turns out that to maintain
what you need is love
attention what he really wants that comes
from
lack of love very bad back in his
life that is very good psychiatrist yes
actually yes and that is very las nice
to care it's easy to get angry
then feel love after someone you
actually say yes but you're
guilty of it i feel
well it's kinda funny you say and i
had lately and now we're getting a
little philosophical and maybe
spiritual makes think a lot of
people need the best
not to be hard journalism
all the time but i feel very strongly that the
people the the aggressors to call them
so metaphorically
who
are trying to get us yes at the moment yes lay
i really feel sorry for that in a way
i
actually feel the poverty in their soul
and sometimes i see messages and then i think
and then i just start laughing things
they do this however they think they
can get away with it can't you their
soul will one day have
to account for it
was at least my and wanted me maybe
total [ __ ] and maybe that is also
earlier a hope that there is something as good as
good and evil it ma do you also do
your way of the mare
yes that way of looking at it so
you can park it well those people
have theirs is your way and the art is to
feel sorry not to get above it
but it is really yes really isn't it an elitist
feeling no really in fact right because
he says soul and at soul level
everyone is equal
we go very deep but yes we have choices
yes yes i also feel
very nice platform
first thing i because you have changed name
it is now really about with
people come together find
companies that can find each other
customers must we have they got no
problems with that she strether
that offers like biology
moment you say i don't join
the paras the one of the most fast fast
director myself too i become today myself
when
I go to I sometimes turn a
blind eye somewhere livable say but I'm not going to
winter I think yes that will come is your
own then record that she is very suzie
on it that is our role do not have
to solve that for people and ok he just
a lot and now with the catering secret'
good that you are open yes
our role is real because to
create a platform and also to show that it is
not so black and white ok but also get
that message from you
already know a tree has a choice have seen me
a company is he wearing yes
and that also does something to us and is it
for us again to see hey what are
we doing with this ok we are not going to be
guided by fear because that is what it will
eventually come down to comment box how
often you are and you have to close
for example due to huge expect an
example of the city we
shared ok because bac bac what show
from hey if you the fully stands for and
fully goes for what feels good for you
then you see that
somehow the world
supports you in this so we received
300,000 euros of gold foil and
I received it in the catering period a lot of
demand from people will support your restaurant
who receive emails and more beautiful
weak awake who do not see no look
through people help with that but I have
them dependent on something again are
just people present
transition of independence room it
is kind of a wake up wake up shows
they do it themselves
and within two days they almost
raised more crowdfunding and in
four months we finished with the whole heap of
stuff what I'm talking about also
wanted to talk to you about I recently went to some
kind of lunch of yours stops
with a delicious dinner a beautiful
music by nikos wallpaper
can't save the last name long the guide cato's
frankisch cato's we had hoped
to have him there lover is
great sometimes but he already had a
booking luckily
he
is doing well so we do another time, but
on that evening he also presented a
different concept in
addition to
free choice with me kind of spin-off yes
and I hit I thought of wow
this deserves an interview and
we will do that soon so also
to launch your new website because
it also deserves attention in which you also need
some gold mining and that
is very important that the project is well
under way come on that new
project tell me about it nice
talk about people who yes to it
yes just like that choice was born for me
because i get a lot of messages
feeling of this is now necessary and it
is not there yet let's talk now we
set me up and talk freely to you
we have me so that is an
independent national listening line
we already have 150 people who will
answer the telephones these are
all professionals so from the
coaches therapists angle who are all
used to unconditionally
to listen to someone and ask the right
questions so that you can go through the
emotion and get to the core and regain your
strength say
and we go in December start with the
crowdfunding
when they have received an x amount where we se
up the training the organization the softw
re that is needed for it to a very
arge organ
zation then
e will open the lines and y
s w
will hopefully get a lot of aware
ess again help create people in
their people bring you back to themselves
who now also have
to deal with all those emotions after tonight such a pressco
, but where we really hope with you
that it will be successful because you
know we also receive a lot of e-
mails at people of people you have
enough about that too that I sometimes are
people people come with eli concrete
questions about you have to legally with
this and now I am with my
children's school compulsory education and thick
even though I understand but you'll see that
I increasingly changed to group
emotion indeed
I know I have a fight with my
family
I have a fight at work I now about
this pass about the die already for position so
h it is heavy with loneliness and or the
row of shame feelings of guilt
also so then her name is of no use
very practical tips or maybe she is
just stupid and I feel off I think yes
I am not able
to give therapies here or ignore the
mail certainly not so if you have a very
fashional snow body they do
n't have that bad she would love to be with you
yes he this little one off and people
join well power cable a
bit yes we are of course not a
foundation correlation or and talk and this
are also not people who have
psychological problems they have or take
attention so no I think I will go in
the previous I did it myself it was a quarter
to ten in the evening and I was
just in a pinch because I do a lot
things and whether the word to me a lot yes and I
like that she now I want to talk about me
call and it wasn't there yet so I
called my girlfriend and she forwards
me to her boyfriend and I ask do you
form space that i s only thing i
needed and i came there to tell a story and just
that and he has three questions
i came to the realization of hot suddenly
something clicks and it flowed again you
know that would be easy and that is
exactly what you are in this need time and
but I also know a way of
talking about you I am not busy
convincing each other and has me and that you
are talking about the peony social not me
from the head and also a lot of
energy from the heart yes yes I hereby present
myself I want you to but once in a
while yes
history theater very nice I have experienced everything I
get quite a lot of calls
My number is also on the website that
tries to be accessible but I
can't always help you people to
speak to the people
fortunately also understand but they now
also get someone all
the lines what I call an older lady from
friesland and she tells us years we have
been married for 41 years and now we are getting a divorce
when the corona crisis s and that woman
actually asked women at that
moment to think about we were had to
cook and I thought yes sorry but I have to be
there for this woman now and I
didn't know that whole woman but that
gives a feeling of yes that I
can mean something to you that
is such a beautiful thing that gave me a
feeling of happiness that I am going to be able to give that
while I do not know that lady I can
imagine that it will soon also be for
the people who go on this platform with you
do that that gives a lot of energy
to the people answer your phone that's
what we call the space holder says the
space holder for someone who is
going to feel it themselves you already know take it out
but you also get something out of it and so
yes we go whole beautiful, very nice
connections make connections and
also that the people who get into trouble
now encounter those challenges that's
great you know because then you know hey me this
is change coming
you won't encounter that challenge if you
join in ijft go say nothing
with is a woman boundary
he occupies a place here
and therefore your job becomes insecure, for example,
then reese moves to arrive for you
and if you are properly guided in that
, you can take a whole a whole going in a new direction can
arise much nicer
things that you could think of before
so it is also it would like
us to go into it too people are not
victims the show
i really want you to tell that beautiful
metaphor on that night of that
caterpillar yes to that butterfly and
I think you should take a look at this
I found it really moving
because with it you were able to explain in a few sentences
and what
transformation we as humanity
are in yes nice that your channel is called
you too is it
we grab that camera
the metaphor is the butterfly so
imagine a caterpillar turning into a butterfly
then you have the first phase of the cocoon
and that is the phase we are in now
so to imagine you are a caterpillar
b graft and you become their cocoon everything
fossilized and hardened so you
think you die you don't know what's coming
and a caterpillar has no idea what it's like
to become a butterfly just like we
now have no idea how the new world
will look like later on, so you can
try to create a parallel society,
but then you actually want to make
a caterpillar but with a different
color, so to speak,
it requires
surrender of the process in trust
that the cocoon will all
those systems around us that that and
wonderful my mentor
yes thank you that that is over and
that it also needs time and
that in that cocoon there are marcelle come together
who will soon form those friends and
those cells that are already coming together it
there I am now here
who are already pioneering who
are searching and at some point there
comes a turning point where that
mass in that cocoon is, so to speak,
absorbed into that butterfly and
transformed dt and then it breaks open and then you
enter a new world of scents colors
and an unimaginable world that you
could not imagine before
so that metaphor I
always bring it up again when I have one for
[ __ ] you already know where is it going and and
but dark it's a transformation
process and we really go to you quiet
now but for that we first have to
let go of this old
wow hall off between there is just
hope there may well keep yes anyway
yes and that if you go through that
layers goes down in yourself of all that emotion
of that fear with sadness guilt
shame that we have been imposed all our lives
then that trust is in
everyone so we know this all in our
core
the side say of fear guilt
shame control is a dead end
it is a think the ship only a lot of
people who are on it
we still don't realize that then
it goes all the way in being stuck
in the financial world and so on and we are
all people who are e
building another ship exploring new
islands and recording the great
time there you really don't have groups
not to worry about it
we're getting a little direction and rounding
and i think it's fun have
a few more minutes to maybe the
people who are all here can be called in a
bit 60 do you want
to come and stay with me for a while so at origin olaf
maybe it would be nice if you just
call the people who
want to come and stand around us for a while
we'll make a nice ending
so if you charter the people eva
it's live stream come to end in
the get together here in front of the
camera wave this one
we're not alone we're
all together let's someone
we're going to finish and we
had a very special
collaboration tonight had a very nice
evening with all
like-minded people I'm not a reason
again went over again forgotten
disco friend yes I don't know if the
camera and how it can show
how big the crowd is I think a
man or or thirty
but the hell it's gone yes I want to thank
everyone who watched
for your attention and I
hope you it helped
me I mentioned it at the beginning of the
broadcast on oil for the soul that's how
I experienced it I enjoyed my
crown did you too that was just that
graph to make that graph double
knots no we do have one and
guinea pigs j yes it really exists and we
got a bottle of hugo
wine
it's always a bit of a birthday after all we
started it as a funny joke
but it was of course sharing sharing
tonight's plan was of course
a sad occasion
but you still try with to find each other and the
strength to carry on and
to be strong in the coming period empathically
loving and not
to promote polarization because that
does not help us at all I want to
thank you all for coming
and give yourself a round of applause and then we're going to wrap up
[Applause]

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figuration::noun | Spocien Dictionary

figuration

noun

/,fɪɡjə'reɪʃən/

decorating with a design

Type	Words
Type of	decoration

figuration::noun | Spocien Dictionary

figuration

noun

/,fɪɡjə'reɪʃən/

representing figuratively as by emblem or allegory

Type	Words
Type of	representation
Has types	symbolising, symbolizing
Derivation	figure

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