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[Music]
hi everybody
welcome to the kanhub show episode 2
the christmas edition of the kanhub show
thanks everybody for joining as usual
we've got a jam-packed show for you
focused on commercial cannabis
cultivation
jim my colleague all the way from the uk
and all around good bloke
tell us what we've got for the folks
today mate
thank you mafia we've got a jam-packed
show for the folks today um
episode one was good but episode two is
better so we've got some fantastic
equipment
some news reviews and interviews from
around the professional cannabis
industry
we've got nina with the news from the
netherlands brought to you in
conjunction with mmj daily
we've got emily rigby from cana trek the
a2z
of the cannabis industry this young lady
we've got on our
with his precision bachelor in the
spotlight
and we've got benjamin from boveda who's
going to give us a grower's tip
lava team let's get stuck into it
welcome to the christmas edition new
segment of the canon show episode 2.
we are proud to announce that the news
is brought to you by evan j
daly new headlines this month the un
commission on narcotic drugs has
approved the removal of cannabis from
the list of the world's most dangerous
drugs category
where it had been classified since 1961
although the ruling has been seen to
provide no immediate impact as cannabis
legislation is in the hands of
individual countries
the ruling has been a symbolic victory
for those campaigning for change
in news closer to home the lucky 10
dutch coffee shop experiment licenses
were drawn recently
those lucky enough to score a license
must now shift their focus on building a
facility
and houring out the bugs before
holland's first legally produced coffee
shop cannabis
can hit the shelves in late 2021.
mexico again came tantalizingly close to
full legalization only to be granted
yet another deadline extension the bill
was due to be approved by december 15th
however has now been pushed back to
april 30th
2021 please cross your fingers
and toes for mexico finally canada's own
trusted partner dry care has released
their new dgx unit which is built
especially for indoor and small
greenhouse applications
the gtx packs a powerful punch and joins
an already impressive stable product
from drygard
keep an eye out for details of the dgx
on www.kendashub.com these were the
headlines for the monday summer enjoy
the rest of the show and of course i
wish you warm wishes and a very joyful
christmas
see you in 2021
what a crazy news from around the world
thank you so much
nina thank you mmj daily guys remember
jump onto mmj daily and subscribe for
the hottest news from around the world
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now jimbo what have we got coming up now
well mafia we've got a superb guest next
a young lady by the name
of emily rigby she's the head of
research and development at cana trek
one of australia's leading vertically
integrated cannabis producers
she's also the director of research at
the australian institute for medical
cannabis
so without further ado let me introduce
you
to miss emily rigby
welcome to the show emily rigby thanks
for coming on
hi emily it's great hey jim thanks
thanks for having me
no problems at all got a couple of
hard-hitting questions
for you we often bring the really hard
journalism
to the kenhub show so first question
first cap off the rank you played a
pivotal part in getting
kanatrek up and running in australia
lots of hurdles to jump through in terms
of regulation
uh building you name it you
had to do it all if you could travel
back in time emily
what would you tell yourself at the
start of that whole whirlwind experience
yeah wow look yeah being involved from
startup in a brand new
industry with such heavy regulations
definitely was a challenge and and still
is um patience
wow yeah patience is probably my number
one
for anyone even now considering getting
in the game make sure you have a lot
of patience make sure you pace yourself
um
and i probably like to myself personally
would would
tell myself to have jumped into more of
an advocacy role sooner
i think when i first started working in
cannabis i was a little worried about
you know how other people might perceive
that um just with all that
misinformation over the past
you know 70 odd years um but really what
we need is more education
more people out there advocating so yeah
i think you know to be more patient
but also to get involved and put put put
yourself out there and educate
challenge help remove the stigma
yeah do whatever you can to help push
this industry along
yeah well said m yeah yeah
emily you guys at countertrek you have
all the modern toys you really
work at the cutting edge of the industry
with it with the best equipment
um when it comes to creating a perfect
environment for that
aaa flower how do you select the
products that you want to use and how
does
how does a product what qualities does
it need to have
to get into a cana trek facility
yeah so look we've obviously bought a
lot of different technology
particularly in the greenhouse um so in
protected cropping you've got
you know so many options when it comes
to technology
it's really important that you evaluate
every piece of equipment um
first and foremost is fit for purpose um
obviously there's a lot of toys out
there that a lot of people are going to
sell you different things
make sure firstly that you need it um
and then secondly that it's that it is
fit for purpose that it is going to
achieve um the outcome that you're after
uh you know for example if you know if
you're looking at dehumidifiers you know
is it is it going to be able to remove
the amount of moisture in the air that
you're after um
you know where's that equipment coming
from is it even suitable to
to plug that in in your in your country
so here in australia we've definitely
had issues where equipment's
turned up promised you know that it can
run on the australian power with the
australian power socket
um and sometimes that's not the case
when it turns up
um particularly with cannabis you know
hygiene is really critical so
how much time does it take to clean so
outside the greenhouse you know if
you're looking at trimmers
maybe one of those trimmers is cheaper
but it might it might take you longer
um to actually clean it or do a you know
does it have a hot swap
out kit and things like that um and
and then probably lastly is cost is that
you really need to consider so you
really need to
compare the different products that are
out there check that they're fit for
purpose
you know are they going to achieve the
outcome that you're after and then you
know what kind of
maintenance operation um time and
run costs especially if it's using power
you know do you have enough power
to run all those lights um as an example
do they have too much draw down when
they start up that your system can't
handle
so there's definitely a lot of areas and
a lot of things you need to take into
consideration and my recommendation is
you know is to probably put
the price of the unit last make sure
it's fit purpose
um and it's efficient to achieve what
you need
uh yeah before you run and buy something
shiny with a cannabis tax on it
makes total sense now
let's get down to the nitty-gritty we're
getting into the good stuff here
your ideal plan emily in terms of her
pain profile
structure um you know
temperature pest resistance what what's
your ideal cultivar
what what really gets you going in terms
of a good strong
healthy cannabis plant yeah
that's a really that's a really good
question i know you know definitely in
the industry we're
really interested in yield and
cannabinoid content particularly
thc and cbd um because we do have a
fairly immature cannabis market even
you know even globally but it's great
matt that you mentioned you know the
terpenes
um because you know we really need to
start looking at the minor cannabinoids
and the terpene profiles
and and move away from this indica i
love that hat um we really need to move
away from
you know using the terms indica and
sativa
and really more focus on the terpene
profiles um
you know so i don't know how much your
listeners are aware but you know
we the scientific community you know
generally agrees that there's only a
single
um species of cannabis but
um potentially subspecies of indica and
sativa but really
when we're looking at all these hybrids
that we're dealing with today
we're not dealing with so-called indicas
or sativas so what we really need to
look at
is those terpene profiles because it's
the terpenes that give you those
beautiful aromatics and that's one of
you know that's one of the really
exciting things growing different
cultivars
you know is just you know the different
smells when you come into the greenhouse
um i couldn't tell you what my
i wouldn't know what my favorite terpene
pearl would be
i think there's so much research that we
still need to do because you definitely
have that entourage effect with the
terpenes
um as well as the different minor
cannabinoids
um so yield
cannabinoid content terpene profiles uh
pest and disease resistance is really
important
um and it's got to be suited to your
climate
so you know if you're growing in a glass
house um in
in canada or indoors versus growing in a
greenhouse
you know in southeast queensland like we
are you know we're looking for a
different
um cultivar to perform best under those
conditions
um we like the shorter plants with
shorter flowering
cycles really you know heavy
heavy yielders and high cannabinoid
content
is you know is what we're looking at but
really good um
plant architecture as well so there's
those short internodes
something that's going to take less time
for
de-leafing and pruning and things like
that the less times you can touch the
plant
the better um obviously you save a lot
on on labor there but you also
you know don't stress the plant out as
well and it also makes it easier and
fast for harvesting as well
cool cool well jimmy you're up mate what
do you got
well it's not the recent success that
you've had in northern australia
um countertrek has announced um the
intention to build a state-of-the-art
facility facility in
victoria that's gonna produce about 160
tons of cannabis a year
is that correct yes yeah
um so we've got yeah plans for a 16
hectare facility there
fantastic fantastic and i understand
there's quite a unique way here
that people can get involved in that can
you tell us a little bit about what more
about that
uh are you referring to our crowd
funding at the moment
um so we yeah we've got some good news
there emily
yeah look we um we are currently sort of
towards the tail end of an equity crowd
funding that's just been really exciting
i mean the
the journey with canada for myself
personally
you know as an epic and is you know um
has just been incredible
um and you know through this um
crowdfunding you know we're offering
people the opportunity to join us on
that
on that journey um but you know but
besides you know
investing in in canada if you really
want to get involved in what we're doing
in shepparton
um in in regional victoria then you know
i
i advise you if you don't have
experience go out and get some uh some
experience
in in protected cropping so growing in a
greenhouse
doesn't have to necessarily be with
cannabis but you know if you're
interested in getting involved in the
industry
go out and get some experience it may
not be with cannabis um
obviously that's ideal but we know in
australia that's not always um
always possible because there's not too
many people actually growing in
australia
so you know everywhere from in the
greenhouse to
you know post-harvest extraction lab
work
security like there's there's so many
different jobs involved in a
cannabis facility so you know we're
going to need
hundreds of staff for that facility so
if you want to get involved
you know get it get in contact keep in
mind we haven't started construction yet
but you know train yourself up get some
experience
yeah yeah sounds awesome emily it's
going to be an absolute
whopper and i just i really can't wait
to
walk through the doors for the first
time so i hope there's an invite
at some stage um now question of the day
this is the one everyone's been waiting
for i'm sure
is your ideal dinner your dream dinner
you can invite any three people from
history
past or present and who
who are you bringing to your ideal dream
dinner
yeah this one's really difficult matt
and i i am
definitely glad that i had a heads up on
this because i would have been
completely stumped otherwise
um i think my you know my initial
thought
um just leads to a an amazing array of
musicians
i love music um i then thought you know
i'm a scientist as well so i thought of
all these fantastic
scientists and philosophers from history
and then i don't know if it's a good
thing or a bad thing that i've had
longer to think about it um but
i think my number one and in fact if i
could divide it into three dinners
i think i'd invite my dad to have him at
dinner
three times instead um who
you know he passed away uh seven years
ago so i'd give anything for dinner with
him again
but if i was to invite if i was to
invite to other people
um i don't know if this is a
controversial one but i think i'd invite
timothy leary
i think you know with the resurgence of
psychedelics um
you know coming back into the spotlight
um you know as a medicine and it's very
similar
you know to the story of cannabis even
um there's a lot of parallels there so i
think you know i'd really like
i'd really love to have a conversation
with timothy leary
and hear about some of his experiences
and his thoughts
and then the third one's really
difficult to try and work out but i
think i think
considering i thought muzo's to begin
with um and my dad's love of the beatles
i think i'd have to invite john lennon
yeah really cool that's a cool dinner um
and
i'd certainly love to be the fourth
wheel on that dinner
uh emily been so cool having you here
today it's been
really cool to get inside the mind of
one of australia's top growers head of
research and development at kanatrek
jim any final thoughts mate just thank
you
fascinating insight so thank you very
much thank you for the for
sharing your time with us brilliant
thank you so much emily rigby you're an
absolute superstar
coming from a superstar company in
canada trek australia
keep an eye out for these guys because
they are going to be doing big things
worldwide
jimbo what do we got next well next
matthew
we've got an absolute exquisite bit of
engineering
in our in the spotlight feature
this month in the spotlight we've got
the precision batcher from greenvolt
systems
and we've got an r from greenvolt
systems to tell us all about it
take it away enough thank you
jim thank you uh matt for that uh for
that great introduction
um we're we're very
very happy to be here i'm happy to
represent greenball systems and uh
present this
in the kanhub product spotlight um
you know just start at the top uh with
our development there we uh with
with the new um newly
open uh and and and fast expanding
cannabis space
uh you know both here in the u.s and
globally
um we saw the need uh
for weighing and packaging solution for
cannabis flour
uh we work with some processors saw some
of the archaic uh
uh methods and and hand packing and uh
some even trying some existing equipment
like multi-head wears
uh at the time and and it was all very
inefficient and uh and wasn't wasn't
cutting the mustard so to speak
uh and we we quickly realized um
you know that that what was there was
too labor intensive
rough on the flower with vibration and
trichome loss
uh not enough accuracy so people are
giving away too much product or shorting
their customers
uh and really just an overall
inefficiency in the process
so we set out and we worked with some of
the
processors to evaluate what their needs
were
uh what the needs were for for the
product
uh and what the needs were for for the
industry as a whole
and set out to based on that feedback
uh developed what became the the
precision bachelor grip from the ground
up
uh solely designed for the purpose of
weighing and packaging cannabis flower
uh with with strict um
uh criteria that we set out based on
what we found
for accuracy uh gentle handling of the
product with our
air kush technology uh
and uh and and of course the efficiency
needed to uh
to to reduce labor but also produce a
premium product
uh in the in the volumes that were
required
so yeah we're talking about a product
here that ticks all the boxes for a
commercial
producer um you're going to be able to
produce that quadruple a flower
you're going to be able to batch it out
really quickly and efficiently
uh you're effectively saving space by
taking away an army of people
um sitting at um at scales
and you are speeding up everything
um in a way that i think
no other solution can do
so anna congratulations on the bachelor
um massive innovation and something that
we're really looking forward
to taking worldwide
can we get you to stick around for a
second and show us
a bit of a video on the machine and talk
us through its operation
absolutely awesome look forward to it
a bit of video for you now of the
precision batcher
in action anna do you want to talk us
through a bit of the technical spec
behind the machine
absolutely so what you're seeing here in
this video is uh
as you said the precision batcher the
scales there there's eight scales in the
batching unit two scales for
uh the check wear below there that
double checks the the finished batch
weight
uh before it's released into the package
uh
they're weighing to a hundredth of a
gram resolution
uh which really enables us to to nail
down
and minimize that that over pack which
essentially you're giving away
product uh as you go over your your
targeted weights
so we're really able to minimize that
and ensure
that you're never under you're never
shorting your consumer there
you notice that you might notice in
there there are short puffs of air that
are moving
moving that product throughout the uh
throughout the process that's our air
kush technology that we developed and
patented
specifically for that cannabis flower in
order to
to really minimize essentially zero
trichome loss zero breakage of the
product
it's also very easy to use you can't see
it in this video
but uh we have a 22 inch touchscreen
industrial pc
uh very intuitive very easy to use easy
to program
uh for the operator um you know we also
you could see
this is the the stainless steel there
it's all 304 stainless which uh
you know industrial design very reliable
uh meant to be run for decades
and also those materials are of course
gmp uh
and fda compliant both in design and and
the material composition
um we also built in uh you can't see in
the video the
uh sql reporting right on the machine so
you can get your production reports
uh down to you know
your your daily your uh by strain
you have all that that data at your
fingertips
uh we also built it which is a very
important thing as this industry evolves
and grows
uh we built this to be modular so that
we can add on pieces like
uh automatic filling of of
of the of the packages automatic capping
ceiling labeling things like that so
you're you're future proofing
uh your your investment there i'm glad
you pointed that out on our because
essentially we can um we can take a
customer
with the green vault precision batcher
from
dried flour being dropped into the top
of the machine right through
to a capped product uh
at the end ready to be labeled ready to
go
and we are solving a bunch of problems
for a customer
all in one go with this amazing bit of
kit
you know that's that's right the
modularity of it is fantastic as well we
can say to the customer okay
you might not be ready now but in five
years time where do you want to be
well we want to be fully automated but
we can't do it all at once
so so where do we start well you start
with a bachelor because that's the piece
that's going to save you the most money
deliver the best quality and you can
work out your automation from there okay
we've got the bachelor let's get the
lidder let's get the labeler
um and do it in bite-size pieces and
grow as the company grows
so it's fantastic being modular
absolutely brilliant
thank you anna it's been an amazing
product spotlight
really appreciate your time merry
christmas to everyone
at greenvault systems and
having you on the show anytime mate
[Applause]
precision batcher every
distributor of small package cannabis
should have one
please get in contact with us at www.can
hub.com to learn more about the bachelor
jimmy boy what's next well next mate
we've got our canub growers tip
and this month's tip is brought to us by
benjamin from boveda
he's going to talk to us about water
activity
post harvest so benjamin
if you are part of the cannabis industry
today you already know
that the age of just thc in cbd is way
over
today we are able to identify over a
hundred and
forty different phytocannabinoids
usually you can add around a hundred
different terpenes or
flavonoids to that very same mix i'm
benjamin patok with bobado
and my top post harvest tip has to do
with the real problem that every
cannabis cultivator or processor is
facing today
because by not doing the right things we
risk microbial spoilage
we can lose aroma we can lose flavor and
we can lose
ultimately potency and just by volatiles
being
washed out of the flower and this goes
beyond your very own premises
think about your entire value chain down
to the final consumer
so luckily for you and me all these
effects have to do with
one factor mostly and that's water
activity while most international
standards rely on moisture content
you have to understand that moisture
content is just
a quantitative measure it will tell you
how much water there's
left in your biomass what activity on
the other hand will tell you how much
energy that remaining water has in order
to fuel biochemical processes okay
and think about oxidation enzymes
browning microbial growth
this is why astm has put forth a
standard
called d8197
where they put the limits for storing
dry cannabis flowers between
0.55 and 0.65 water activity
why because above 0.65 you really see an
accelerated growth of all microbes think
mold and mildew and all these
below 0.55 you have an accelerated loss
of volatiles like terpenes and
flavonoids just by
the water being washed out and taking
them with them
so this is why you should measure water
activity and it's very easy
it's a small device like this and you
just need a small sample
and it's completely lossless okay so you
get a result in like five minutes and
you know where your water activity is at
all times
of course boveda will help you stabilize
your the abortivity of your flower it's
really the world's
first and only effective terpene shield
by creating a micro layer of moisture
surrounding your biomass and thus
preventing terpene degradation
and we have seen terpene laws
of over 30 percent in closed
environments in closed containers
so to summarize one start measure what
activity
it's very important and measure it at
multiple events throughout your process
two stay within 0.55 to 0.65 water
activity at all times
and three whenever you package flour
make sure you use
boveda to keep your biomass at the
desired level throughout the entire
process and this can be in bulk
up to the final consumer packaging so
make sure you protect your product
and if you have any questions please
feel free to reach out to royal brinkman
or myself on our team
we're happy to help you hope to see you
soon bye bye fantastic
and favita products manage that water
activity save the terps
mae over to you
thanks guys for joining us on episode
two the
christmas edition of the kanhub show
again to everyone out there have a safe
and happy christmas
thanks for everyone who joined if you
see us in the street give us a high five
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we'll see you in 2021
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