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Allow me to give a
brief introduction first My name is
Crazy Kembara and I will be
the host of the show this morning
before I open This morning,
allow me to welcome
the invited guests and panelists
to this event.
First of all, I would like to say good morning
and welcome to Mr. Doctor
Hasan Wirayuda, former Minister of Foreign
Affairs of the Republic of Indonesia from 2001
to 2009. Good morning and
welcome too. To Mr. Dr.
Martin Natalegawa, former Minister of Foreign
Affairs of the Republic of Indonesia from 2009
to 2014
remarks. Here I would like to say to Mrs.
Professor Dewi Fortuna Anwar as
Research Professor at the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Organization,
Brien. I would like to welcome the presence
of the main figures, usually Indonesian,
Mr. Harry tjan Silalahi as chairman of the
board of trustees of the KYT Foundation Mr. Jusuf
Wanandi as deputy chairman of the board of trustees of
the cs-cs foundation
Mr. Professor djisman simandjuntak
as chairman of the board of directors of the
cs-cs foundation
mother left Yuwono as deputy chairman
of the board of directors of the cs-cs foundation, her
father was Doctor J kristiadi as
senior fellow in Indonesia
Mr. Doctor Rizal Sukma as senior
fellow in Indonesia
Mr. Dr. Philip C Vermonte as
executive director of Tyas Indonesia
Mrs. Doctor fredlina editio as deputy
executive director in Indonesia
and Mrs. Doctor Shafiyah FM Great as
head of the Department of International Relations for
Indonesian Species
I would also like to convey a welcome greeting
to all attendees of
this morning's event. Hi, welcome to
the usual special event, which is an anniversary for
pholcidae ilok Indonesia under water.
This event is part of a
series of events currently being
held by the Department of
International Relations throughout Indonesia as
part of the celebration. 50th anniversary in
Indonesia
to open the event This morning I
invite Mr. Phillip vermonte to
deliver the opening remarks for the room and
screen I give to Mr. Phillip
please
Thank you Gilang Good morning
assalamualaikum warahmatullah
wabarakatuh Peace be upon us all and
may we all be well In good
health this morning,
first of all, on behalf of the person, we
would like to thank the
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mrs. Retno
Marsudi, who will deliver the speech appeal.
If you are present, it will be conveyed
via video recording as
well. We would like to express our deepest
gratitude to Mr.
Hasan Wirayuda and Mr. Marty
Natalegawa,
two former foreign ministers of the Republic of
Indonesia and Mrs.
Professor Dewi Fortuna Anwar
from Lipi or green today, their names
and of course We would like
to thank all of you who were
present at the event this morning, either via
Zoom Open via YouTube, as
stated by saying earlier that this event
was part of a series of commemorations for
the 50th anniversary of Sies, which was established on
September 1, 1971.
please report that we have
held
several activities inline with the
three departments in the
economics department, the political and
social change department and also the international relations department
,
the friends in the economics department have
also held
reflective activities related to the direction of
development With the economic development of
Indonesia
, friends in the department of politics and
social change have also
organized activities where we
held reflective and in-
depth discussions related to the basic building of the
Republic of Indonesia and also
political development where we thank
the heads of political parties
for agreeing to convey
speech Hi
nationality some time ago on
my forum I was like this kg and from
them we heard what were the views of
the most important political actors in
Indonesia, namely political parties and
what were their views on the direction of the
development of our democracy in the future and
this morning we invite
which in our opinion, the d'brides playing in
Indonesia today is related to
issues of
Indonesia's foreign relations and will also be held for two days
by inviting
international observers who will also
discuss the regional order, the theme
of foreign policy. Geri, of course,
is a theme that is very close to
Saez. You could say that one of the chords
of Saestu's activities is to
think about the
development
of Indonesia's foreign policy in the
context of this 50th anniversary. It would be
nice if we also held
reflective activities related
to matters relating to With the
ease of foreign relations and Indonesian foreign policy
this morning we will be able to get
Inside from the brightest minds of
our speakers, how we
should approach
today's problems, which are changing rapidly,
the international situation is changing,
Indonesia's demographics are changing, the old challenges
remain. but the new challenges are
no less severe and we are facing
new problems which
may be
cached in nature from being very global to
very local in nature which
is inevitably related to
Indonesia's foreign relations as well
as technological developments. gi is of course
a very important aspect that
makes everyone pay
attention to what is happening in
other countries and it will definitely
affect all of us that's what
I can say Gilang hopefully
this discussion will be useful and
bring us to a new perspective
on foreign policy Indonesia
We often discussed at the end of the ice
, the free and active foreign policy was
formulated by Bung Hatta in the
1940s
and to this day it is used
as a record doctrine of
Indonesian foreign policy shifts, there are no longer
foreign policy thinkers who can
formulate
a new foreign policy doctrine.
which may have to be changed in relation
to the challenges we face But
I leave it to the speakers.
Is that really such a view
or are we stuck and
locked in what
Bung Hatta has formulated brilliantly many
years ago Thank you greetings
warahmatullahi s atu
indeed, Rasih or the opening remarks.
Families
, distinguished guests, the
main remarks at this morning's event will be
delivered by the honorable Retno
Lestari Priansari Marsudi, the foreign
minister of the Republic of Indonesia,
citing a fragment from the biography of the mother of
the foreign minister Mrs. Retno LP Marsudi
is the first woman to serve
as foreign minister the Republic of
Indonesia,
she was inaugurated on October 27, 2014 the
mother of foreign minister joined the
Ministry of Cryptoelectricity in
1986 and before serving as
Minister of Foreign Affairs she served in
various posts, including as ambassador
of the Republic of Indonesia to the Kingdom of the
Netherlands and the Republic of
Indonesia to the Republic of Indonesia. The kingdom of Norway and the
Republic of Iceland
Mrs. Meta Negeri has received
various awards for her services both from
within the country and from abroad. Her
main remarks will be delivered
through a recording of the foreign minister's mother
, who has not had the opportunity to
attend directly this morning
because I was attending a meeting
with President Jokowi regarding
Indonesia's G20 presidency at the
same time as the cscs activity I
invited the event committee
to show a recording of the main speech
by the foreign minister,
please, my respect, Mr. Philips vermonte
Mr. Yusuf anandhi KWU seniors and
gentlemen, first of all, of course,
thank you very much for the invitation and it
is truly an honor
for me and for the Ministry, the
color grish has a very important meaning,
friends, discussion and opinion
in understanding the world situation and
then analyzing it, therefore
I would like to wish you a
happy 50th birthday to
the essayists, best of luck to the
two ladies and gentlemen, I apologize for
not being able to attend this event in
person because it coincides with a
limited meeting of the preparations for the G20
Indonesia presidency which will start on Saturday
December this year until i November 30,
2022
, our preparations have been carried out
since the beginning of this year and continue to be
intensified
now, Ladies and Gentlemen, I
respect the theme of today's event. I
will convey two things, the first
is
regional and global geopolitical dynamics.
Hi, the second is how
foreign policy is. our country can respond or
respond to these dynamics. Let me
start with the first issue, the dynamics
of regional and global geopolitics,
ladies and gentlemen, in the last 20 years we have
witnessed a tectonic hit, the
shift of the world power center to Asia
if the 19th century was dominated by Europe and the
19th century. -20 by the United States and
many believe that the 21st century will
belong to the Asian nation Hi so the
term is often used is The
Asian Century an
indicator that is often used as a reference
is the transformation of the East Asian region
into the center of gravity of the world economy
if we look at the overall
GDP of East Asia at this time it's over
North America RT is predicted to overtake the
United States as the
world's largest economy in 2035 or
maybe sooner
Hi I want to take the analysis
released by price waterhouse
coopers 7 emerging economics today will
dominate the top 10 world economies
in
2050 including four
countries Asia rrt India Indonesia and
Japan
Hi 50% of the world's taste will come from
regional countries while the share
of western countries to world GDP will be
much reduced.
big implications for the region
and the world the
shift in world power
has the potential to increase the threat of conflict
especially if new emerging
powers are considered to threaten the existing powers
and history has been the proof of this thesis
Hi I would also like to take a
study from Harvard University y that
in the last 500 years
12 of the 16 shifts in world power
or the relative change in power between
racing power and ruling power have
resulted in the brakes.
Hi, even though at this time the competition and
rivalry between America and China is getting sharper, of
course, our hope
is that the consistency of the results
of my previous research Mention
where the rivalry that led to
open conflict did not occur, so we hope
that open conflict does not occur because
open conflict is always expensive
and will only bring damage to
all parties involved and maybe
those who are not involved will also suffer the
consequences. The world hopes
Renta to prevent open conflict.
is still functioning and will continue to
function
Hi the recent telephone conversation
between the President of the United States and the
president of the FRT is expected to help pull the
brakes so that conflict does not occur
in this context ladies and
gentlemen, a world ecosystem is needed that
can prevent So this
open conflict is our hope and we
must continue to raise this hope
in all international forums.
Hi if we look at the United
States,
anti-China sentiment is very large
according to kyurisite
Hai
89 Americans view RT
as a competitor
Hi, while 53 percent of
Americans want the government to be more assertive in
responding to China's economic policies and 70%
for human rights policies
Hi on the other hand we often hear
statements from China that the United States
does not want the emergence of
new powers in this case, I take
everything from data eh open
j&t
Hai ribel lansing
then have to happened
and if we look at
Hai Rida lensing, for example,
from the increase in the defense budget in
2020, the PRC's defense budget rose 5.2
percent while the United States rose by
6.3 percent. The increase in the United
States' budget and the PRC contributed
to 2/3 of the total increase in
the defense budget. Global In
Hi, the rivalry between America and China was also
seen during the covert 19 pandemic.
I took data from Rush perception on
the World Economic Forum survey which
identified that exploration of
covert nineteen crises for you political
adventage is one of the
geopolitical threats that will become a
big problem in the world. in the near future, for
example, last year the
UN Security Council almost failed to
agree on a resolution to call for a
ceasefire in all conflict
zones during a pandemic just because of
the sharp differences between
the great powers,
ladies and gentlemen, of course we are worried if
the zero-sum mentality continues. this
has the potential to damage peace and
stability in the region and further
distance us from The Asian Century
in Indonesia and ASEAN countries must
continue to strive so that the Southeast
Asia
region of the indo-Pacific region is not used as a
theater of rivalry between
the great powers.
Ladies and gentlemen
now I want to go into the
second part of how we should
respond to these dynamics.
First, I believe that a
free and active foreign policy is
still very relevant at this
time. hearing people
say or ask a
free and active foreign policy is a
manifestation
of our fear to take a position
that is verb
Hi if I may say that view
is completely incorrect and
does not reflect
Indonesia's diplomatic steps so far with my
free and active foreign policy
which is currently being mandated and
responsibility as the Minister of Foreign
Affairs of Indonesia can actually say
whether or not he or she responds to an issue
or an event
in international relations.
Hi, mutual precision is a common thing.
Hi so people often ask questions
about these browsers and I
say to each other Freezing is a
normal thing that goes from very subtle
to very strong at one point
when I have to say no
for example to an issue raised
by the other I can always
say This is nothing against you
but this is my principle is nothing
against your country valdez Indonesia
principle u
Hi, ladies and gentlemen, looking for
as many friends as possible, indeed in
our foreign policy, but
in the DNA of our foreign policy,
national interest is above
all.
Hi, Indonesian foreign policy
never teaches hostility,
but politics Indonesia's foreign policy
teaches principles that must be
respected by all countries
. The second thing is that in facing
this very dynamic world situation,
Indonesia's foreign policy must
strengthen the unity and
centrality of ASEAN.
maintain emphasize its centrality in the region
and become a locomotive
for regional peace and prosperity.
This challenge requires ASEAN to be
adaptive and transformative.
ASEAN must become an organization that is
relevant both to the people of ASEAN and
to the world.
once
again respected in a unity
Hi ladies and gentlemen we often hear
the words ASEAN
unity and centrality Hi ASEAN unity and centrality
is a beautiful sentence Nice word
Hi ASEAN unity and centrality don't
just fall from the sky it's not
a keyboard thing
Hi unity and centrality ASEAN
is something that must be pursued
need to be er we have to end it
I did not worth United for ASEAN for all
ASEAN member countries to maintain ASEAN
unity and centrality and relevant keypad
Hi developments in Myanmar, for example,
if it cannot be resolved immediately
by ASEA
Therefore, ASEAN must continue to be
strengthened and Indonesia has
a high commitment to continue to
strengthen its
spirit to strengthen ASEAN. This is
what underlies the launch of the ASEAN Outlook
on the indo-pacific
Outlook.
Prioritizing
inclusive cooperation in building the Indo-Pacific
as a peaceful and prosperous region
Hai out look this is an ASEAN concept
once again an ASEAN concept that is open
to cooperating with all
ASEAN Partners
Hi ASEAN's priority at
this time is concrete cooperation in the
implementation of the ASEAN Outlook Om in Indonesia
-pacific
Hi so it's time for us to move forward
with concrete cooperation because
the principle issues have been
clearly stated in the out look, it's
time
to implement it with
concrete cooperation and ASEAN is open to
doing it with all countries
Hi ladies and gentlemen, I respect the slag At the end
of our foreign policy, we will continue to
strengthen the rules of the game, relations
between countries.
Hi there are rules of the game that must
always be respected so that cooperation
between countries in the region runs,
respect for international law
is a must.
Human rights must continue to be upheld
Hi Settlement of differences Sorry
Peaceful settlement of differences
must continue to be encouraged
Hi at the Global level these principles
are of course contained in
the UN charter to regulate our oceans we
have unclos Hi so any claims and
actions related to the sea must be
based on unclos 1982
Hi, at the regional level, we have
the ASEAN charter filled with zopfan declarations,
we have the Bali process and
so on.
Hi, if
we apply all of these rules of the game,
God willing, peace and stability in the
region and the world will be
maintained prosperity will be realized and
Indonesia's foreign policy will continue to
push for these principles to
be respected and implemented
. 50th year for SAW and
thank you
I would like to express my gratitude
to the Minister of Foreign Affairs and
all ranks of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the
Republic of Indonesia who have helped to
prepare the recording of his main speech
, Distinguished guests.
Hi today we will enter the
main session of the morning program this is the main session
entitled the national dialogue on the direction
of Indonesia's foreign policy, which will be
guided by Mrs. Syafiyah fitting because
as a moderator on this occasion the
form of the main session will be packaged in the
form of a talk show or talk show
how the host of the event has prepared
some questions that will be
discussed. share with the expert guests
a brief biography of
our presenter this morning
Doctor Shafiyah TV muhibat is the head
of the International Relations Department of ctcyes
Indonesia,
he explores various
research focuses, such as in the field of
Indonesian foreign policy, rivalry between
superpowers, maritime security and the
indo-pacific region through the form of the event that
we hold is present and can
join the discussion during the main
session by
asking questions through the kweni feature
found in the bottom column of
your Zoom display screen or through the chat
box feature on the YouTube viewing page
The committee team will periodically help
remind Ladies and gentlemen,
regarding the procedures for discussing
today's event and helping to collect
the first questions the questions that have been
received to immediately start the main session of the
room and screen I will immediately give it
to Mrs. Sofia mukibat please
Thank you say k alau assalamualaikum
warahmatullah wabarakatuh Good morning
greetings and peace to all of us,
amen. I respect the guests, experts at
our discussion this morning, Mr. Doctor Khan
Wirayuda, Mr. Doctor Marty Natalegawa,
Ms. Professor Dewi Fortuna Anwar and
Mr. Doctor Rizal Sukma, who I
respect, thaisub wanandi, Mrs. Crayonmono
and Mr. flash mode
ladies and gentlemen and it is an honor
for me to guide
our discussion this morning entitled the
national dialogue on the direction of
Indonesia's foreign policy which is the first part
of
Fauzi's syrian anniversary series,
regional and global environmental candidates have continued to
experience changes over the last 50
years which means that Indonesia must be
able to continue to adapt, including in
determining the direction and strategy of its
foreign policy,
as discussed earlier, the free and active doctrine has also
become an important instrument
of Indonesia's foreign policy, but of
course changes in the international political landscape
. This very
dynamic situation poses challenges for the interpretation
and implementation of these principles,
new challenges and
uncertainties such as in the future.
Deni is currently raising questions
whether Indonesia is ready to face
these challenges
to discuss important issues
related to the direction of
Indonesia's foreign policy with us this morning. There are
four people present. You are experts, which of
course are familiar to
all of us, but let me read a
little about his profile. The first
is Mr. Doctor Hasan Wirayuda,
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Indonesian Public
in 2001-2009 and President of the
Presidential Advisory Council in
2010-2014
Mr. Hasan. He has also been a
global member of the One Direction mission
of security democracy which was chaired
by Kofi Annan then Pak Hasan
trusted the Apem formed by the Bali Democracy
Forum or BDF and the Institute for Banana
Democracy or IPD in 2008 and
became a key facilitator in the
negotiations. n peace between the
Philippine government and the
Moro national Liberation Front which resulted in the Manila
is agreement. The
second strange thing is that we are Mr. Doctor
Marty Natalegawa,
he was the foreign minister of the Republic of
Indonesia in 2009-2014 and he
recently published a book
entitled Dashner The Forbidden which was
published by asy- sheikh publishing
in 2018
he was a member of
the UN Secretary General's high level advisory board
for mediation and also the
UN Secretary General's advisory board for disarmament and
the supervisory board for the United Nation for
disarmament Crystal Rich
previously served as a member
of the UN Secretary General's high level panel on
Global Response on health crises
and as president of the
external advisory team for
the 72nd UN general assembly You third expert is Mrs.
Professor Dewi Fortuna Anwar
she is a member of the Indonesian Academy of Sciences
or IP
Research professor in science research
organizations social science and humanities
and national research and innovation was
previously the deputy for
social science and humanity
at Little and also he served
as chairman of the board of directors of the
Habibie center in 2010-2017 Mrs.
Dewi served as deputy secretary
for the Vice President of the Republic of Indonesia
she is also Distinguish between
Professor of diet Rajaratnam School of
International studies Singapore
in 2017-2018
and Distinguish between Professor of design
John Hopkins University in 2007
You are the fourth expert is Mr. Doctor
Rizal Sukma now serves as a
senior fellow at the
Sheikh
before he served as
ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary
for the United Kingdom Ireland and
international maritime organizations
from 2016 to 2020 he has
been with the SKS since 1990
as a researcher and then became
executive director from
2009-2015
Mr. Rizal has also served as became chairman
of the foreign relations agency at the
center of Muhammadiyah from 2005-2015
and was also a member of the national committee for
strategic defense reviews at the
Ministry of Defense and a member
of the national drafting committee for
the state defense law
in 2000-2020 and the
2022 TNI law
2002-2003 he was the
first Indonesian to receive the breath of one word
in 2005 and entered the ranks of 100
to 100 Global thinkers am010
which was released by foreign Policy magazine,
thus four of our converts
this morning, as
explained by the MC at the dialogue this time. this will
take an interactive Tokyo format
and will discuss various aspects related
to Indonesia's foreign policy ah ah
I will start a discussion with om
now We can start with the basic issue,
namely
the police inventory of
Indonesia's foreign policy position at this time we can
understand Indonesia departing from various
rich experience In diplomacy, the
experience of existence and
important contributions in crucial moments for
the future of the region and the world, we can
see from efforts to
unite countries with
a common view of contributing to
world order through international law to
playing a role in the requester for
regional transformative moments, especially in the
formation and transformation of the region. ASEAN,
many of Indonesia's contributions to the
world have become important and
long-lasting articles because of the visions
of Indonesian leaders in
their respective eras who were able to see far
ahead.
If allowed, I would like to start
with Mr. Hasan Wirayuda. I would like to
meet, maybe give a
general view, Mr. Hasan How do you
see Indonesia's position in the
international world when you look at the historical provisions
that I mentioned just now, of course,
Indonesia has certain aspirations
to be achieved in the field of
foreign policy, how do you assess that
Even So Far East has been achieved? eh,
Indonesia, please Mr. Hasan
Thank you Mrs. Sofia,
our moderator for this discussion, yes, a
dead man, Mr. ISP Anandi and the entire
CSS leadership of the
talk show participants
who died,
what did Syahrul look like?
appreciate that
there is consistency in
pressuring a
free and active Indonesian foreign policy. If Bung Hatta articulated a free and active
foreign policy
in
1948, in the reform era, a
free and active foreign policy was
given a legal basis that was
stronger when it was contained in
the law.
The law also
spells out what is meant by a
free and active foreign policy I
didn't enter into this but later at the
end there will be a special discussion about that
when you
may have weaknesses that we have to take a
look at. fix maybe not in
principle
but pa What is
meant by foreign policy
itself,
madcatz is not free. Finally, it has been
tested that we determine an attitude or position
that is solely dictated by
our national interests.
more
active now Active not only
in terms of
processes and procedures but more
actively contributing to the concept of AIDS and that is
very important in
diplomacy second
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pandemic has indeed become an inhibiting factor for the
pandemic copied 19 is a disruptive factor for
defenders of all activities in
international relations
politics taxi security economy and in
this case health
and that we are not alone but
in my opinion the
problems we face and are
faced by the world
also stem from the absence of
an effective global order both in the
political, security and economic fields, efforts
to reform the world order since
1995 not be These results and directions have
had a broad impact on various world activities,
including our activities
in terms of implementing
our foreign policy, in fact, we not only
need a strong political
commitment, but also a strong political commitment, but also in the
various mechanisms, I can usually
say that around the palace now
there are no again,
but specifically in the field of
international relations, the press was even warned that
I am actually an advisory body to the
president, there are not one or two
chicken experts or experts in their fields and
this is less helpful
for the Bonds because the institutional institutions
there can help other borrowers,
I think this is happening
gathering
the spearheads of our diplomacy, if
diplomacy is called the spearhead,
my impression is now full of
blunting of the spearheads and this is
not beneficial when we and
the countries of the world are facing
the problems that were previously
described clearly by
critical scientists. also by Mr. elect ant he
in his opening remarks so uh I
feel yes this requires improvements with
greater commitment,
greater political commitment so that
our foreign policy in its implementation will
be better, maybe that's
how much I say
thank you sculpture if I may
quickly did not follow up from what
you said just now.
Is it true that this era of democracy has brought
many changes to
Indonesia's foreign policy, sir? What are your
views, the four experiences of
Indonesia, especially in
carrying out foreign policy,
have changed since the
reform era 98 Sir,
definitely democracy and
Indonesia's openness since reform
9798 brought
Iyam many great and fundamental in
our first diplomacy
from a country that was previously a
country with a government
dominated by the military and authoritarian a
At that time during the new order we
became the country that was seen t by
the old eyes by developed countries
and we are not free to get along maybe
we can still be more broad in associating
with developing countries
but not free enough with
developed countries we are squeezed by sanctions threats
to violations of
democracy and human rights in
various in the field of economics
the thesis Economics in the field of
military cooperation sanctions into the
military lately I have been in our case
so far so we are not a nation that is
free, ah, diplomacy returns to
face the heavy pressure that is in
us, we succumb to experiencing
problems such as east-east of
human rights and
others. Second, in
Nassar
post-reform, add we are more open
to projecting our value system
to Novelis than
before, so long as we are doing more with
news Putat on
Apple, we are securing
our national interest as a national khor
interest. we Wow this is something something new,
although not entirely new, because
in the 50s, since the temperature was k55, we were
very successful in projecting a
value system for the
right of Independence for the colonized nations,
we became the pioneers and from that work the smell of it
echoes. Until now,
we still feel
it is part of Aa
projections. from our soft power
and with us becoming a democracy
and
respecting our human rights since
2002 if at the beginning we might have started
projecting social values of human rights and d
mocracy and human rights into our i
mediate environment ASEAN We chang
d ASEAN Outlook on this matter and e
en with that we chan
ASEAN from a loose organization
forgetting to miss the figure of an organization into
a community where political and
security is one of the
important pillars I remember during the busy period
around April
2021 in Australia, our seniors all
came to me just to
ask San is right He wants to talk
about promote diplomacy in Asia n far, the
nation is very reformative, Sekartaji, what is
it for Ade, the value system that we
must project
outwardly, if our closest regional environment
is the second color
, the third novelist projection also changes many
of our needs to change
foreign policy formulation policies
that are not monopolistic,
not solely by government, but to
be more aspirational and cooperate
with all diplomatic actors, of course,
democratic openness also demands
greater accountability from
diplomatic performance and this is why
until now I believe we are a Mbak
doing internal reforms
both about organization and management
but also reforms towards me
a better corporate culture both
for diplomats and our representatives the
protection of citizens which is a
new feature in our information in the
reform era also surfaced in this context
Okay, thank you very much Mr. Hasan
maybe I will move to Mrs. Dewi s Now,
Mrs. Dewi, we will discuss
various challenges that have
new challenges but also there are still
old challenges starting from global and pastetional issues
such as climate change,
regional resilience, now we are
talking about pandemics in the future.
a good mission in ensuring
a safe foreign environment
, good enough space for movement and so on
if we talk about
modalities, in the midst of various periods
of Indonesian foreign policy, capital
channels and instruments. What kind of instruments
does Indonesia actually have?
Does Indonesia have
sufficient modalities to sort out ECU values? to
adapt to various challenges
for Indonesia's foreign policy
please Mrs. Dewi Thank you very much
Mbak fiqh Happy 50th birthday
ordinary ice This is a very difficult question that is
very broad but Sets
hereafter I don't want to just answer the
question n foreign policy
as if it's just part of
our efforts to respond to
the external world so yes. Because
after all, especially for a
big country like Indonesia, a sistho collector.
So what we want to achieve in
our foreign policy is
usually starting from
a domestic story. so and then the
book sees what we can do
we break down phyllis Asy the
external environment has a Mini version of the risk and
why optimize the
profits we can achieve and
if we can and this we have to do not
small countries also want to participate in shaping
so eh our external environment
in terms of This is Indonesia, if we look
at the normative level, yes, it has
sufficient capital, this has been shown earlier, it was
conveyed by Mbak Pipit herself,
then by Mrs. Melu and so on,
so Indonesia has become a free
and active policy and I am here to say that in
my opinion this is still
the most important doctrine. so many times this is quite a
technique please be active liberator can
we say i don't want to be too
close to you know i can't be a
joke but at 19 i am also active to
do what i think is
important to advance
my national interests including there interests
to participate in publishing the world so Hi
Now, the modalities in terms of doctrine, I
think this is enough. I don't see the need for it
anymore, Ms. Alma, it's difficult to
change, but how do I fill it out because it's
right and left out Okay, this is because we saw
on his journey when Soekarno was
there, why was he more to the left when
Suharto had more Beyonce? right, right
now, we're
taking a closer look at Quererte, which is closer to
Kyle or more violent between the two
and so on, so I
think it depends on the choice in
terms of the doctrinal model, in terms of
modality of experience, it's been there since
the Bandung conference until we are
Do you have a track record so you can become a combiner?
who are so qualified and trusted,
so since Bandung Friends,
then I was corrected by Alay mugman, the
role was appointed by Los to the role in ASEAN
and now our role is
so ethical and so on, sir
. What
's in Deep Adele right now is
there's compulsion, what's the meaning and
so on. That's from a morality point of view, it's
enough that he just said what's sad
, right? It's a pity, Middle of Indonesia and this
is a criticism, there's been Indonesia
since Michael liver used to
say Indonesia has a sensor
pressure environment, but Prasetya,
between ideas and real
abilities, for those of us who have
problems, omers and Theo tried from RSHS to
write yes, Indonesia as Michelle
power is a domed isopower because we are
rich in ideas that are able to carry out
these ideas but in
our functional level still lacks
attention to functional that's one of them
ku Our capacity is still
inadequate. We have visited representative offices
in various countries,
but the criticism from the past is
Are we able to merge Rich our various
efforts into something
more substantive?
Indonesia is between what can be
achieved at the ideological and normative level
and then Leverkusen is real,
so well and here what I see
finally caused
Indonesia's foreign policy which, because it seemed so
inconsistent, because the criticism from
Parepare Jokowi against Pak SBY
was rich in ideas and very
good factory, it looks good at the
global and regional levels, but
that's considered where the bus is, where is
the final result but then it goes to
Jokowi
emphasizing too much on
economic challenges and so focusing on economics,
diplomacy, diplomacy Hey finally
foreign policy from transactional and
then n people ask where is
Indonesia, where is the leadership,
so here we are always looking for
a good balance now. Perhaps
with the tone of the adhan alkonindo Pacific and
so on, it shows that Indonesia is
starting to adapt because one thing that
Indonesia does not want is when
someone else wants to
get rid of it. Scouts are healthy and
so on, so in this case, yes,
Indonesia is rising again, so in terms of
capital, like the modality, the ability to be
active is there but the blessing
is when we have the right to
deal with
substantive issues such as Pakde, MP Menthol
challenge, yes, for you, Indonesian terrorism is
considered It's good that
we have that capacity. Our approach
to accommodation between the rights and the
southbridge has been praised because
this is also demanded by
our very diverse society
and this is supported by Aya enough to
ensure that the handling of
Balinese mesem related to Islam is
lam it doesn't flow Nasi Gitu
, our Muslim community, the way our brand is
good there, but for other things,
I think we often
sign commitments very quickly, we signed
a lot of
international commitments, but in the
end, there was no follow.
other countries are difficult
Usually with America or
Japan to sign an agreement
they have to be detailed and
involve all
different stakeholders Why often do they
not want to listen to something because
they know that when they signed
it, does it keep going?
quickly sign it
but only later when it's implemented
Bang, it's not that complicated, we don't think so, for
example, the Asean-China Free Trade
Area, we quickly signed it but
only recently did demonstrations and
things like this
happen between Martisor soccer links, talking about
internet sticks, but how to
handle it i domestic su We are currently
at lilypie now the name is free,
what are we talking about, looking at this
indo-pacific issue that talks about the
indo-pacific and it has become
accepted at the Asean level, yes, it
used to be like that, but to what extent do
domestic stakeholders understand
what they want? what has been there,
whatever it is, it is a challenge and where they
can meet and get benefits and what are
the challenges
when they separate, talk about are
keeping, for example, we are talking about this, how far
does it involve stakeholders
and are they ready to take a
role there, up here Mbak TV
The problem is that when we
look at the details,
our problems are often
between our own cabinet, our ministers
often fight in public when
there is a policy that must be
implemented and that often
keeps the Ministry of Foreign Affairs running quickly on their own
and at the normative level.
we got such a good name but
Said doesn't know as Jo where to
improve at the comedy level and more like Another
Day. If we really want to
be able to get adequate benefits, we
have to fertilize more
within our own country so that every
foreign initiative really
gets support and shows members
Providing benefits That's real, it
's compressed. Domestic God.
Thank you very much, Mrs. Dewi. She
drew Mrs. Dewi. She talked
about the modalities of instruments.
I've been good, yes, but
indeed am I think the big geopolitical challenge of
this superpower rivalry will be
a secure PIN in Abdi in the future
. Later Maybe I'll go
back to fashion to ask whether
our diplomatic channels
are enough to face the challenges of
rivalry this superpower What's the
name, it will be deeper in the
future or Mrs. Dewi can
comment a little on this Mrs. Dewi, yes
I believe that because of this
free and active politics, it was born at the
height of the cold war
. from rather than fitting
because there was indeed
an ideological conflict between the blocks without
being there at that time. The interdependence complex was
more in the economic and other fields,
so they chose to stay between the
two reefs, sailing between two
reefs and now they are said to be sailing through the
foam of make-up and
etc., I think it's still appropriate and if
we look at what
Indonesia rappers are doing at the bilateral level,
there is also a lateral and also at the regional level,
you have a lateral boost, right?
the azuno isometry forum
where all the stakeholders are On Earth,
there is the United States, there is
India, and so on.
I think that even though Indonesia and Indonesia have played a role,
it can't be said that Mrs. Retno
Utari said that she just hit the next ASEAN University.
lateral cute is good for discussion for
for ranidae but for doing
more complex things sometimes you
need mini lateral too is in
this case maybe we Indonesians are
also
starting in that direction too so we
don't need to see that as
contradictory and also pay attention to
Indonesia's bilaterals
since the time of Mr. Hasan Mr.
Marty signed a comprehensive 1 Ciparay sip
with all Taekwondo there, yes. So that's a
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if I am exposed to the police now,
this is about how
Indonesia's work on Transvision Trans
International institutions to hacking
hacking, yes, Rich,
give it maximizing
and Rich c Until that and him, we
did hacking on the revival of
workers. The emergence of this RT is improving as long as
the Master of Economics effect is there, there is
also a little Gening guide. We are following
where we are.
International. The investment is wide.
at the same time strengthening
our defenses and then also just
doing the biggest joint exercise
with the United States between
forces and countries, so this is
done but at the same time plus
being your table diplomacy is an effort to
become a bridge in the middle. So not
only just looking for what does that mean
between interests, but also
that Indonesia wanted to help shape the
system through triggering
our diplomacy, so in this case
THR remains optimistic that we still believe that
Indonesia is capable and when we are
in a safe situation outside,
Indonesia tends to not think a lot
tends to be too pragmatic about the taxation
but once there is a challenge and there is a big
Boys Kai, just pray, usually an
Indonesian project will appear and and we
will play a role in this make-up mainly
knowing Indonesia and ASEAN, it has a
track record and is trusted,
even though it is getting more difficult, I
still believe that ASEAN is important and
Asian Madrid doesn't eat like that and
Indonesia's role there is very central.
Good, thank you very much. Mrs. Dewi is happy to
hear that Ms. Dewi is optimistic about
the future of
Indonesia's foreign policy. Healthy. Now it is moving
to Mr. Rizal. Mr. Rizal, we
talked about
our challenges. Talking about the challenges
of the current pandemic, then there are more and
more hotspots. So, we are talking
about humanitarian issues in Myanmar in
Afghanistan. In your opinion,
what kind of issues should Indonesia
pay attention to in the future,
because we are going to talk
about what dynamics have changed a lot? environment
and we can identify
what issues must be considered
what challenges must be
considered and then What kind
of Indonesian foreign policy strategy
should be implemented to
deal with these issues, please
Farizal
Thank you Good morning
everyone. First,
there are issues that I
think are fixed. Yes, it will continue to be a
priority and become a chord. HP is called
by the students as the tail of the
Indonesian National, such as maintaining the
sovereignty of the territorial integrity of
foreign policy, which can benefit
economic development, the stability
of this region is fixed. Until whenever,
I think this will remain an
important issue for
Indonesia's foreign policy, but indeed for the
next 5-10 years there are several issues that are trying to
require special attention, yes, because
of the changes
that the Minister of Foreign Affairs was able to convey earlier.
plug and ole h Mrs. Dewi Hai,
first of course, what are the problems
facing the whole world by all countries,
namely How to position themselves and
respond to and manage the rivalry
between the United States and
China so this comes from this is the
problem we can't we always
say we are not interested in
taking our side I also always say that we hope that we
don't have to take sides but those intentions
and hopes are not strategies,
not policies, not policies
and even sometimes I start
to get stressed when, for example, we see many
Ministry of Foreign Affairs officials we start to often use the words iwuf in tweets and
in speeches. Ok, will not get
you Anywhere, which I think is
the most important problem that Indonesia will have to
face, so in
that context, we must actively
create the first conditions that
can guarantee Beware of the autonomy strategy.
Happy on duty, the second, create a
Palas that can prevent us to
be drawn to In this rivalry, this
requires a combination of noms
institutions and a balance of power, so
what are the three approaches in
international relations, like it or not,
what kind of souvenirs must be blended, what are your friends in
Pejambon, to be a revenge
for Indonesia's second foreign policy?
In inventing, we also
repent that rivalry will
happen in the maritime area in the future, so we
need to ensure
that maritime.co.id remains rules-based.
Now, for Los Angeles, I think it will
be a very important instrument
for Indonesia's foreign policy
and now I feel like hearing
this formula, after using the mouse, you can go
as director general of international law.
I'm confused as to who is an international law expert in you who really understands about Hi, but I
went to college first, Mr. Hasyim Djalal. Now that
I'm retired, we are still prospective patients.
referring to it is becoming a problem
so it hasn't appeared really an expert at
Indonesia understands very well
what this process is about. Now, what should be the
best maritime.co.id? This is an issue that
must get attention,
but anyway or if we
already have the capital, we already have the world maritime axis as a
doctrine, we already have the Indo-Pacific
product that was presented earlier by Abu
Dewi, the problem may be that
only a few
people in the foreign ministers of
other ministries may not understand
either.
Mrs.
Dewi and also with Mrs. Main Lu. I
see the problem that we have
to pay great attention to in the
future is the decline in value
or importance and as diplomatic capital for
Indonesia or Asep's diplomatic capital
from Indonesia, there are three problems.
slumped already can't
solve the problem why can't
solve ma This is wrong, Ahmad,
there is also no excitement when he has to respond to the
question of what is copied. This is his first plane. The
two divisions of the unit are
just a slogan. We have also
seen, for example, how
America's rivalry in this way will have
an impact on unity.
first and second, the relevance is
also what is
the big question mark with the many
other initiatives that are
now being carried out by the
big countries, for example, it is one
of the initiatives, if it is not
studied properly and responded
to properly it can also
accelerate What relevance will ASEAN have
later? Hi, I think this is what the
third issue is, the
fourth one is about international issues
getting more complex, really and then
our priority domestic development
will become more complicated in the future, namely
hours wafid. This economic recovery
will never be implemented. without
There is international cooperation, right? Well
and all of this requires this which
I think has been started by Mr. Hasan
and then continued by Mr. Marty,
which is still being carried out
and continued by Mrs. Melu, namely
about structuring and strengthening
our diplomatic infrastructure, starting with David
from the PPLN who continues to This is a matter
of fuel budget or program budget in
every representative or aesthetic
of diplomats and now this is what
we will market right away. I remember very well
when the restructuring of the
Merak market at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was hurricane building the ability to build a
polyclinic in Pejambon.
The goal is to make what
has the ability to do
positioning to the
organizational structure in the representative. Well, this is an
internal problem that Shakira has also
become the main prerequisite if we want to
Why manage and respond to the three
problems I mentioned earlier,
about the issue of the strategy, yes, it is free and
active, yes, all countries in the world are free and
active, in fact there are none, yes, not
free and active, always say Uya
independent Woman The Beatles, nothing
special about that principle, yes, I'm
moving, I want to change it, there's no point in
all countries like that,
below, right? basically,
can all of Doraemon's pockets enter Onew Appa Ustad free and
active as a principle immediately yes it's
hard to ask to deny it over the cheese
the tisam scene earlier you skirmish Lord
sometimes it's happening cool to be
replaced So what is important what was previously
conveyed by the chief of his position which was
changed was also conveyed by right away,
ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, here are
three strategic elements that
we must pay attention to, the first is
hoodwink develop strategic resilience, yes,
who like the traditional strategy
of foreign policy, is
how to reduce Little's therapy
who comes from dependence or
gives layers too much of one
ne Because or one group of countries has
gone to hedging strategies and also
relations on multilateralism and then
maintains and strengthens the autonomy strategy.
What is meant by
this economic strategy, let me give a
simple example, in fact, it is related to
ASEAN without word WiFi M2 during the
weekend, but we can also
act alone whenever 5 and we
also dare to ignore ASEAN whenever we
shoot, so it's because of strategy or ROM.
It can be seen there, yes, if we want to
expand, we never lie.
The season to be independent.
Shakira has to be this third device, which is
the most important for Shakira. Our model country, which is
not big but also
not small, or in academic terms,
we are the power, namely the legitimacy of
Dynayel saw, we must be able to
form a coalition that violates the legitimacy
of big countries if they
mess it up like for example if
someone wants to go for Umrah and we have
surely what the mi ddle power is there. Powers
debina is legitimized okay bye bye this is
soon to be very important,
moreover, this should be a chord
in today's strategy because it is impossible for the
army to deploy military
forces but edu
still believe noms, any situation
can also modify Bieber's speed, right?
This is what Bu Dewi mentioned earlier
as the importance of Ami the
Powers' qualification, yes, in the public, what are the noms and what are tomorrow?
Thank you, Mr. Rizal,
by I am a little aqliyah, continuing
what was very interesting, Mr. Rizal
said that the hadith is important, for example, if
you can't pay it off and then
choose another, it doesn't mean you have the ability
to sort out which instrument is
suitable for a particular issue.
countries can build
capacity modalities to choose ah-sort
of a third of YouTube Arizal's instruments, that is, of
course, everything is plain lately, it
's usually preceded by warm rice.
Stabat is done, but
theoretically, of course, it's nothing more than an
analysis of the cost and effectiveness of
GB, so then the access censors are
like, so there's no backlinks, right?
I often used to discuss this with
Mr. Dead, I remember the coefficient. That's the
implication, starting from the first
to the backwards, we
might not think about it
when a crossover action
is taken up. This is the part
that Mr. Hasan wanted to build first,
namely How to build the capacity of
diplomats in formulating policies
and determining which option is the most
optimal one second urine is
also important for when we should
use an instrument When What
do you mean neither multilateral
or roughly when it is also appropriate
depends on the implications of
that choice don't until we take a
solution but the Soul actually causes
many other problems So Wisnu is
going to look for a solution Yes Europe is a
block, well this is also what is
important, this can only be done if
our diplomats have the capacity,
not the police, Panic, so back again,
BPPK must be a formula Gigi Don't
then just friends from
abroad parked there. The
first year he studied mp2 he started to get hungry.
Study them when he started to think,
where is my income, so Isn't it gonna
work Dek wis MB limit
Thank you anything Riza is this brand?
Now, I want to go to Mr. Mati, Mr. Abu. We
have already talked about
Indonesia's position. We talked about its modalities.
Then we are talking about
only if, for example, we
have been able to identify these things.
Of course, the next question
is how to determine
Indonesia's foreign policy priorities, because
if we see it's really a problem
like that, right? Talking with
geopolitics, we are talking about a pandemic,
yes. How can we
Indonesia determine priorities like that?
How to divide attention in
Indonesia's foreign policy in the century and
later.
Thank you very much, meet alaikum youtuber,
first gift of course congratulations
to the rest of the ice for 50 years since
our founding Bro, Mr. lucky to
convey your views after listening
carefully and
even carefully recording what
important views have been
conveyed by the discussion of Faisal
Sukmadani Mrs. Dewi Fortuna Before I
answer the specific question that was asked earlier,
because the nature of
our activity today is facial in nature,
maybe if I am allowed to
share a little view
on 2/3 of the problems that had previously been in
general, more language if explained. First of all
, allow me to underline the
view that Mr. Hasan Wirayuda previously
conveyed that regarding the importance of
giving possible meaning to
the active division From to a
free and active foreign policy I think
it really
needs to be underlined because a
free and active foreign policy is neither passive
nor neutral. the important thing is
not to vote as if it is considered as
following a stent or Vicky Kudus and airport,
one party with another, we
choose the term free, active or
independent, specifically active instead of the
term hydro, let alone neutralized,
neutralized so always in
Indonesia's foreign policy there
is nothing
transformation Al what
idealism to try to
make a contribution to it through
its foreign policy and of course what is the
holding of the selfie conference in
Asia-Africa, for example in 55, only
10 years since our independence, one
of the manifestations of how much our founding
fathers and leaders are Leading stores in the
past is ready to be free from the
problems and
obstacles faced in the country to dare
to come up with big ideas
now if we think about
as
actively as Levisav, what are the challenges Like,
for example, if we gave the example
earlier, we are Mr.
Yo political tension between China and the
United
States, As parichay also
said, we want friends, sirendi,
Spain, right now, we are not in an evolutionary position.
can Express Hobbs
can't just Express concern
can't just describe what
all of us can observe day by day,
for example the worsening relationship between the United
States and China needs to give a
response what is the concrete response
to such a phenomenon Duh
Ketep pass the text of Eleven
and jaw Even though the answer must be
relevant now, our question is
regarding the United States of America and China,
for example, it is a
shame that it is difficult to find a
concrete, concrete idea and double action
regarding the American-China issue
. 'crab was alluded to as one
of the responses. I read
carefully the front of the document.
I was able to catch what
is quite ambitious spirit
to call ASEAN as any USB
rocker in mediating America with
China but the second part of the
indo-pacific Your outlook becomes like
if in The language of multilateralism
is a kind of Christmas Tree where
every country includes functional Cooperation projects from the
prophet there, from the
problem of handling the
Edjing problem, what is the
problem with infrastructure, what is the word, mm DJ
so
it's fish-farm responses badmood
especially response to th e problems at
the center there is a Chinese hardtop in the United
States, namely there is an increase in
what the
dispute is getting sharper, Mr.
Rizal Sukma said that he said that Maritime
domain fully agreed and we were
lucky. Rizal just didn't
mention the four Wirayuda markets his
amongst us What the principle of thought
Leaders on and action on a hollow iron m
cows America now is not only
maritime Islam cyber besson
email cyberspace on health domain on the
Economic issues even economic plaques
now have to choose
their
economic orientation carefully, whether towards Beijing or
towards TM America Because There
are implications, so I
see
what Indonesia has shown so far. The
big thing is the ability to
describe what is going on,
convey concern about what
is happening,
convey hope that they will improve,
but Where is the best if the term is
Ibu Dewi Fortuna. What do we
want to show trending
Hi, what
for example if we think there is a
risk of miscalculation
Is there a need to
increase confidence between the United
States and China
Is there no need to work
harder, something that has been pioneered
by Pak Hasan in the past praising lateral
replace IC with dec spirit so that It
does not apply only between ASEAN, but also
between China and America
and other countries, do we
not need to establish a Crisis
management capacity so that there is no
risk of accidental miscalculation of
this conflict, which I think is needed when
we talk about
dashl m Is the retest of relevance something
like this? valdez dance everyone conveys X
sentiment is not police
not policymakers policymakers must be able to
convey ideas on
how to answer the test of the time, not
only current challenges, even
future challenges I remember
installing when Mr.
the initiation of the
South China Sea dialogue, the South China
Sea workshop in the early 90s, not
a single country in
Southeast Asia thought that the South China
Sea would become a problem. We
wanted to be laughed at even by
many countries in Southeast Asia who
said Indonesia was being a bizzy
body. because after the Cambodia problem was
almost over. Now we are looking for
a new project, but at that time, Mr. Hal,
Mr. Hasyim Djalal, the leader of
the Kusumaatmadja motorbike party, installed Wirayuda
Yual, what is the Vision of the future headset,
not at this time, now what
I see Widodo is the greatest of
respect If you read
the ASEAN document, yes, your own creation
, yesterday's glass passion for ministers
meeting, the reference to the Indo-Pacific
Outlook is very
ambiguous.
May become guys can be a kind of
guidance. How is ASEAN English wider
than
so
what is
active? the point about being free and
active maybe ta I haven't
heard of this view yet. It's
not only About Us. China. If we
talk about the future, what Jo
political Tension isn't just America,
China is still there, America, Russia, is
still prevalent, India and China, India and
China are increasing wis Thailand
online, we have Indonesian -Pacific
Outlook but when Indonesia, India and
China are involved in the situation, did we
speak up
if Pakistan and India are involved in
a dual CPU situation and they are finished so they are free
and active, they must be installed, as
Wirayuda said, it needs to be given meaning. The
point is that it is
internally related- external Mrs. Dewi
Actually I also borrowed the term
Pak Hasan when he was the one who used to
popularize at least the internet stick to us the
link between
international and domestic and I think
this is something very, very when
Do we remember
what the message from the late Mr. Ali Alatas was about his
experience with the problem?
timor-timu teams In the past, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
had to be able to
appear as not externally,
but in the dropdown constellation of
the domestic decision-making process,
what opinion should be, what happened?
it's a shame that there is an
impression as if now it's back
to the notion that between domestic and
external are two contradictory options,
acef a country
gives priority to domestic,
Raden to go abroad or to good too
many abroad from lowly the country
Hasan who also remembers of course In the past,
when we wanted to launch the
idea, you also mentioned about the
ASEAN Community. One of the Greatest
Daughters in Indonesia
are those who say that
Indonesia is now a
multidimensional Kaise, so we have to
concentrate on the country first.
A said Precisely because our country
is already so vulnerable, we
have to secure
our area, we have to extrapolate
our experience of democratization
to our wider area,
so Mr. Hasan Wirayuda Amin trek
would like to hear more from Mr.
earlier what you mean by Mr.
blunt The spearhead of your concern
as the spearhead for diplomacy to
Savira's overseas project is very
important because there is anything
regarding foreign policy issues
or Polo any policies that exist
externally and threaten the
Ministry of Foreign Affairs which
deproves institutional headaches. The memory of
Iranian professional spots must be heard.
because the police forum is
n't something that can
be done. saa
In our opinion, this is the consequence
of
neglect for the past few
years, something that we have been
holding in Myanmar all this time by Indonesia,
previously given encouragement,
given encouragement, given a series of novel
spires through the forum, either as
Imago Bali democracy forum, mirroring pairs of
Birawidha, what is the
initiative right, to be able to concentrate on
lipoprotein gif and diarrhea, but
because things like this
may not be considered to bring direct benefits to
export-import investment, there is an omission and
we will see because of this impact, the age of the
post
file morphos leiden after the band, if we
continue to concentrate on slides and
the last one regarding ASEAN I agree
with Mr. Yance the views presented
earlier about ASEAN Unity ASEAN are
all relevant but May only
thought is a I don't think there is any idror or don't
we need to assume that we are
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what was self's initial graduation to
get trapped?
Hello Hanani Duror zero-sum
, what's your perspective on
priorities, Mr. Rizal Sukma, did you
say what you wanted to
say about things that are
chords of National interest and of course they
continued, but the point is that
how to
manifest that concern in
a continuous world situation before ah because
Is there Andros changing the so that
One day in this day paune daily basis
we must be able to clearly and
rationally and straightforwardly Remains map out
those interests So for example
eh eh what
in the field economy, for example, grab it
And sometimes now we hear
that one of the bag products is
Economic diplomacy, but isn't
diplomacy economics not only a
matter of trading? Hi attracting
foreign investment in Indonesia, but also a
problem
of geoeconomics.
become a member of the
chairman of the G20 will become the chairman of ASEAN
2020 three Is it enough for Indonesia to just
talk? Z What's the
economic diplomacy only in
the commercial perspective of music Shakira Our ambitions
are much bigger than that we
have to change the order
Why have influence for your Germany
wardens leadership and chairmanship is not
something which is always the same whether mytex
special ever submits to more than just
being the chairman of an institution or
an organization but also
shows leadership maybe that's
what I want to convey Thank you Hi,
thank you very much
sir, I am very happy with what
our discussion flow this morning was very
interesting and b Indeed,
there are many things that
need to be discussed in this foreign policy, Tera needs
to be discussed in depth am
Previously, I also conveyed to
the ladies and gentlemen who participated in the discussion this morning, we
invited them to ask
questions to our expert guests,
questions can be asked through the
kweni feature in Zoom platform, for those of you who
follow through the YouTube platform, you can
write questions in the chat column. Now
, after we discuss the
modalities of discussing challenges like that,
then I want to disappear
some of these hard issues, indeed,
if we talked about a lot of
important issues in
Indonesia's foreign policy, but I want to appreciate
the first few issues. I return to Pak
Hasan Wirayuda, the area. If I may, we can
discuss more deeply about
the current political reality, but we will
discuss power rivalry,
for example, in your opinion, what pattern of geopolitical relations
will be
formed? In the future, for example, if we
look at the current pandemic,
do you think the coffeenine pandemic
has an impact on
regional and global competition and cooperation patterns? We are
talking about, for example, vaccine diplomacy,
then it's a border because
there is now border protection and
so on. A and regarding this, how to
ensure that Indonesia has sufficient space to
move so that its interests are
not dominated by
problematic narratives of big countries, please
Mr. Hasan,
but
I'm sorry,
sir, we still talk
about geopolitics, if you save from Trump
Atlantic Sis, trans-pacific and even
indo-pacific
But on a larger level, it's
time to repeat that we
have a world order that is no longer
effective,
a big umbrella under which
193 countries are sheltered from the storms of war from
natural disasters. Humanity has
holes in
it. What happened in the Middle East for
7 years. p war or proxy for
this in Syria not once did the
Security Council convene to stop
hostilities,
he alone what happened in MN
what happened redya in Mali in
Somalia Deep
North Mozambique in Nigeria Dewa
Manan failed to carry out his mandate to
maintain
international peace and security the
impact was very broad everywhere is
included in the handling Okay
Eh that's one so we see in the case of
corruption for example last year in the month of
Mega the Security Council failed to
agree on a
resolution even the resolution has not been in Tibet
yet read the signs there will be no
agreement to describe it
determines that slander is intense is a
threat to world peace and security.
Whereas seven years earlier
the Security Council designated Ebola, which was
much smaller in scale, more regionally,
as afraid to International peace
and security
. other taps America, France and
England
are also failures. Why in
the Syrian crisis which resulted in 600,000
deaths and then great damage
and 13 million refugees, there was
no effort from the security council, so
in this case, and learning from the
experiences of many other countries, there is
interest us to create a
regional umbrella, what I call a reg,
we call a regional order to
complement the weaknesses that exist at the
global level, in fact we have
anticipated this since the early 2000s
when in 2004 we read about
the socana tray neatly as a result of the
collision of the modernization policies of
scana
openness and Revolt Hai
or in time the pants will become
superpower and as a superpower so
we have anticipated that even though Cana
claims to be a rice bolt gun her
behavior will change to be more
assertive and in 2015 the glass brake
with the South China Sea became very
aggressive.
n hereby
said aa Joe Poltekkes if making
our area a
center into
a-a-a-a the center of the
world
filled with Asian regions becoming
Islamic boarding schools Dedi reasons of the last sun Tree
because of the revival of our cana
ah in 2004 Hai 2005
proposed the concept of
isync Balesen iplusid instead of 1310
asianplus 3-channel Japan-Korea but 16
later grew to 18
actually with ishred intended
as a
vehicle to
create the East Asian community as a
basis for advancing the challenges of regional
orders
and maybe we are proud that in the past, oasiana
in the motor, indeed ASEAN became the motor of
ASEAN methods, according to Mr. Marty's suggestion
if you want Published version of Desa sianmet book
add on the back Dash
Asian mothers nasyid
email Asean which has become the motor of
various regional activities in the region
so far, we have seen ASEAN this year
reaching its lowest point
. ahwa informal Samid ASEAN Samid
produced a consensus iPhone but its
implementation
is big now
, let's go
, one side Demian Mas has
declared a World defensive war,
it's not impossible that this will lead to a
Civil World Isn't the war in
Afghanistan that has ended will
move to our region right in front of our noses?
While we are close to Mr. Marty's iPhone, we are
active where
this is our big challenge and because of
the weak signal of ASEAN How can we be
strong on cohesive then we are in a
very efficient deficit now so in
other words this also affects
us in the wider region
East Asia Asia Pacific indo-pacific Yes, it's been a
day of efforts to form a regional order
so far
Astagfirullahaladzim in East Asia we
prefer cooperation in the field of
political economy, critical element of the Forgotten
efforts to establish normal arrangements for
sharing individuals, we did it
too late, because that was when
tension occurred, we just got it As for the driving process
from Oce, it's not
easy and after 10 years I also
don't have any hope that in the near future it
will be concluded that
Akita is known in Europe as a region
that, like medieval Europe, we
don't have a peaceful settlement mechanism.com
, we are easier to
show muscles. we are our arms next
Mizzle rather than
peacefully resolving the habit
not yet in the wider area so
this is our challenge and
say it's already Global order wikra
channel doesn't exist yet Don't let us
experience the understanding of countries in the experience
of Middle Eastern countries where
nations This state is strewn as a file.
reformed iron is
available the imbalance of the agenda in favor of
only heavily Economic political and
security has been
neglected. Second, Asian
has been saying ISIS SMS to liebeslied
the ASEAN process Let's meccanism, but when they
don't come up with the concept, they
become stakes, they are not able to answer
the challenges we face
not only in the world but at the most. not
in the region near us East Asia Asia
Pacific indo-pacific which
is our second concern
Canada is related to hovid we
see that
due to the weak world order there is no
world leadership in dealing with
coffee coffee is not defined as
an International presence Twitpic
technical body Who World health
organization handles the weakened
America out of America makes deprive
you of aid 500 million dollars but also
what is developing in the world today we
see there is and equitable distribution
of a Kind rich countries
at the end of the year Hi eat start to
have a surplus 1.2 billion avaxim
While only low and middle income countries
are only the first two percent in Africa,
only two percent of the people have
access to adaptation, there is a development
of European nationalism vaccines, there are export
reflections, customs and so on, so that
,
as said by Director General wao, the condition of the children's deck is
ready, golden said Brown, the former
Prime Minister of Indonesia, Britain, is
an au moral outrage
carried out by rich countries, so
far from an adequate world order, the
impact on
relatively large problems is still large,
but sectoral like this Convention
becomes a disaster
and does not stop there,
there are predictions that Cici's target regarding
number 2 regarding food security
may not reach developing countries
in Africa, some of the
people will experience
food insecurity and even hangers
, hopefully we don't get to that
but again, it depends on how
we cooperate in our region, we can
overcome all this is better
okay OK thank you Mr. Hasan amisyu the
next thing I want to raise
here is what is related to new issues,
maybe I'll ask for an opinion from
Ibu Dewi If I may, ma'am, deal
with new issues that arise in areas
that are Regarding technological developments,
we did not have time to discuss after the
deteriorating environmental conditions,
such as what adjustments
needed to be made by Indonesia to get out
of habitual patterns Hi to be able to
install
innovative foreign policy policies and be active
in these new issues
Yes, actually the answer is In short,
Mbak Pipi Yes, we must have
competence in that field to
speak convincingly.
Is it in the field of shabu security, is
it in the field of entertainment, is
it in the field of pandemics, as a
whole, Indonesia itself must
appear to have expertise in that field.
talk a
about very technical issues, the Ministry of Foreign
Affairs is what the A5 is there but it
must involve other stakeholders.
Well here I am from the field of
Arendi, yes, research and development drama
drama research, we know that
Indonesia's attention to this scientific problem
is still very
practiced today This time, we are more excited
about the Riau issue, Denisa, who knows
when the noodles will be finished. Why is this
Lipi
8 bppt battani disbanded, made fabrien,
yes, we can pay in a large sociogenesis garden
so that the culture that has been
formed individually Nadine Didik is
united in one more
organization The new one that runs is the
morning apple every Monday, yes, but the others,
I just don't know about this.
So this is a challenge for Indonesia if
we look at the investment in the
government's
RnB. really yes in
terms of people who involved in
science and technology and the budget
that was made for that week does not
count students who are currently
writing undergraduate thesis who are considered to be
researchers as well, yes, going to Indonesia
can still be very
underdeveloped at this time while in Lipi used to
be a focal point in Unesco by is the
earth to live for Sunset Road
and so on I am very jealous
of other countries when they
come to talk, whoever
comes to speak They take turns
recording talking in the same voice
from them when they come there it
is already one voice and they are clear about their
policy when we
talk about Indonesia because we just met at
dinner in Paris, yes. What is
Indonesia's policy regarding something
about canceling and as I am looking for
us, please help with cruelty, the level of the answer
is What is Indonesia's policy?
Whose Indonesian policy is that? We
will not be asked about such questions, so in
this case the details of what we
convey abroad are
only part of Hi from his side,
but competence must be changed,
so in this case I am afraid that
Indonesia will not
talk much about laptops The technical issues
are those which
resume sudden technology and so on,
so as long as we are still in the machine
looking for forms and are not
constantly looking for forms, but the activities
are still in Orange, dominated by
political excitement and lack of attention
to these technical issues, I
really appreciate it. I'm worried, Ms. Vivi, that the
Indonesian modalities are minimal,
so it's different from the norm, the ability
of KDI's big ideas, which, because we were
n't from Bung Hatta until
now, even though now, the ideas aren't
big anymore because they
tend to be a little [ __ ],
especially in
technical fields that make the country is
clique material, that's what we want If you fail,
try to look at the index of Allah
Institute, yes, Indonesia tends to
fall, we are under achievers, one of
them is Indonesia, which is big,
only in diplomatic influence, but
in the economic field, for
technology, for other fields
where people talk, we
don't talk. That's why
our capacity was not adequate. I'm
afraid it sounds like this coffee, Mr.
Hasan, sir, died, we died, nothing happened.
Global now, which country has the
fenders sold to be allowed to
fly, so we don't have to talk
about what Indonesia can do
to reconcile Oh between
The United States, with China and
so on, frankly, it's too much
if it is hoped that Indonesia
and ASEAN can reconcile these two,
it's DJ krush who will
become Dragons, yes, what we hope
is how to choose ASI, not
to open conflict, but
Indonesians are now for Umrah only
sleep I can because we are sick we can't sell it,
not one of these regulated places,
we are experiencing Are we going to be
excluded from the Global
International arena for writing even if we are
going for Hajj for Umrah,
we can't be so I think it's
a coffee problem or even a
problem Seriously, for us, poverty is
now spreading again. We were already
in class XII in economics,
now we are Aa. Going down again. I
believe that fortunately in Indonesia,
although from a democratic point of view, we are a bit
crying now that there is a
regression, but the political stability in
Indonesia is quite capable of managing
carry out its basic functions. But
that was a
lot of us, first of all, we were
on issues with mandatory intake,
we didn't talk there, no one
else was present. Thank you, Mrs. Dewi, this is
very interesting, ah.
new Actually there are two
more issues that I want n I raised the
issue of economics, of course, which is very interesting
and then also issues related to
dispute resolution, but this time I
also give an opportunity to Am
I sure these issues are all, of course,
are there various different perspectives,
so I will believe later, if for
example from the final guest others
want to respond to those that have been discussed
regarding certain issues, I also give a
chance before we start
later. Session takes questions from the
audience, maybe I'll start with Mr.
Rizal first, yes, to discuss the
resolution of this dispute.
It's been a long time, the conflict is
getting higher, if in Southeast
Asia of course we discuss, for example the song
Cinta Hai, eat like that, yes, but now
there is also Ike Myanmar, what kind of war
can Indonesia take? And Indonesia should
take a resolution or
at least encourage more cooperation
, please Farizal,
lover, eh How come it's a hard question, Ah
But anyways I haven't answered yet, I want
to congratulate Mrs. Dewi, who
has been following the morning apple every
Monday routinely, right now, she hasn't
done any research,
eh, actually,
what Indonesia is doing is
active, you know, make sure that the solution is what
we want, now that's the problem
now we have to be truly
divine, it's worth it Om, what we
want to achieve, is it in our efforts,
usually or in the space to buy up whether this side of the
ideology can be realized soon or
also in our war to
find a solution to the crisis in the
US by March. It's just a
simple thought. So if
for example, we really want to be active
in finding solutions to the
Myanmar problem, Boy Yes, we don't want to be
completely regulated by Brunei.
This plan became the
Tom over. This is how the special
envoy two hands on Ediso n But of course it was
n't published but right away.
I don't know, maybe it's been done all this
time. Nikita doesn't
know that this is the second problem.
It's run like
that, so that when we
propose something, then
our representatives at the United Nations have a different
decision to refuse, for example,
talking about Atopy when Atopy, for example,
is being an issue that is closely related
to problems with the Yanmar team, YH Hi,
what was said by the pair, there was no
coordination, you know Yes, I think
that's true, this will complicate
Where The Roll from the time of Play in trying
to resolve the problem and Wives
then the South China Sea, if we
really want to take the initiative
there, Kama plus, for example,
a draft that we can propose to
become a drag. Siosi, that's what it used
to be I did what was done
by his era, Mr. Hasan, in his era, Mr. Ah,
died, entered into this concrete proposal,
yes, what should be
the drag Swatch is tinted, we want the
simulation as well, what includes in the
above agreement What will be said
is the third one
depending on the content Yes, we can do
what causes I to seek a solution
through ASEAN or what with
like-minded countries or Ade
regional the Powers. So, through
ASEAN, yes. I think I said earlier
that we can work with
Nations. We should if we
can't, we have to. What are you looking for, what
other mechanisms are you looking for? Now this is the
problem. Sometimes we are
already slaves, what's the consensus, you
know, so there are a lot of inconveniences
when all ASEAN countries want it Ah yes,
we don't like joining A4. This is
regulated the same way, for example a country that I
don't understand either. Is that
a problem before I was cool,
we are more Bhin
If you don't want to follow
this proposal, we will have chords for all
of Asep's meetings, if Myanmar Kunta
participates in training, say something like that Of course,
this won't be a problem.
So Megan has
a bad feeling in leadership. Young feels
that if the others have directed us, we
should also be 7, I think that's for
sure. That kind of attitude
is correct, but 60 children are inconsequential when
confronted, but Don't burden
the current generation, every one of us who is
assertive, then we are told that we
want to return to the confrontation politics of
Subway Surf
4life Abah is really in the
mystery oil, we are now focusing on
exchanging wisudo money at the moment, lol.
I'm ASEAN, I need myself,
I'm not okay, let's go ar from
ASEAN, yes, install it, know exactly where
I am, I know about this, our
choice is Dampit or Reformed. So,
yes, we have to be bothered. There are many things
that we have to do earlier. Now
we will be the chairman in 2023.
Install it, sir, with the ASEAN
charter. Yes, we will make a temporary compromise
but 2023 I think the
decision-making process must be changed, meaning
there must be articles regarding the crisis
management ohashi respond to ride,
there must be articles regarding the
previous section, what we proposed but rejected,
yes, we have to make changes regarding what is the
decision-making process in the ASEAN
bioeconomic issues? So if your
Indonesia is active, prepare it starting
yesterday, so today prepare it,
come here. So don't do it
later. Are you busy with issues that are
really important, but what iStore d'hul or
intraday? Indonesia, which can be
achieved internally through the implementation of
foreign policy, I choose the phone, OK,
thank you h Mr. Rizal amprah,
maybe it's about economic issues. I
want to ask Mr. Martin maybe he can
give his views on
economic issues related to
Indonesia's foreign policy. If we look at it from
before the pandemic, there have been
nationalist trends. What is this. What is the
position of our Indonesia? maybe we
have also tried to put forward
economic diplomacy, if I was, for
example, from Mr. Death's own point of view,
what should Indonesia do?
What kind of policy projections
should be emitted by Indonesia,
please Mr. Martin.
The first half of the
problem that was
offended at first underscores
once again what the installer has conveyed
regarding the Global order or the multilateral order, the
various obstacles and
shortcomings that we have experienced
so far, in our opinion, in our opinion, you really are a
deficit fan when we talk
about global order
and what is this in it is not only what your
inability to a Global forum
like Yuan is as a result of what are the
geopolitical tensions of tug of war
between the five big countries between
Pitu and Fitri but also not a fan of
deficit in the sense of the word
representativeness because it is clear
why admissions
How the situation is reconstituted
reflects the dazen world order.
What the world dislikes today, so
there are
representations that have gaps or
deficits in representativeness
so that there is also a deficit in
effectiveness. In the past, there was a school of
thought, there was a view that
various institutions such as The United
Nations Security Council, for example, should the number
be not too large because if it is too
large it will not be, but the reality is that
now even though it is small
and even as a result there is
no message but it is also not effective
because we see that many world problems are
solved outside the Security Council.
n The PBB is like So,
birawidha's message is that it's a bit of a
deficit fans as to what Gabut challenge
Justin Global governance is as a result
of what the full frame of geopolitical
tensions is, there must be a
deficit because of the likes of
representatives but only propose like
of representatives from the intergovernmental version of Fatma
but also its nature non
governmental Because now we
have to talk about books about not
only the International community
but the Global community where my stakeholders are
not only States but also
there are stakeholders who must be
part of the solution to many of the
problems we face
in this connection the term was used
new issues and Mrs. Dewi Fortuna
earlier referred to one of the steps
that we need, what's the
development of
expertise, I think that's true but it's
not me, it's not like Tunya experts
are drinking basic requirements, of
course, but maybe not.
No less important is the paradigm
shift, the need for a paradigm shift,
because don't problems such as
the climate change pandemic or the
other Helvetius regarding solemnity, Little energy
security, all show the point
that these problems, Devi,
their national solution, cannot be solved
by only one country, but instead
demands a collaborative effort. Its nature is
not only international but
global and I think this is sometimes
still a hi or what gap where
multilateralism is
expressed or spoken as a
commitment to Weni shoes and but
when in
fact countries are still at the
Ferry temperature, what is the country first perspective and
even what size is a friend or what kind of mother and
father Remember, in the past, the discussion was of
course, sir or madam, so that the observers
this time when we experienced
various disasters or or the consequences
of the 2002 Bali bombing terrorism and
so on, we decided
that weekend either be compared to the
problem of art. resolution and through
diplomacy we change the whole narrative
in cooperation with Australia in cooperation
with the UN and finally Indonesia has changed
what was previously considered the source of
our problems to become the source Hey
statue the solution like wes regarding
climate change which we previously
considered as a source of problems
through cop in Bali and Bali principles
and so on. We change our order of
washing to become one of the pioneers of an
idea that is extraordinary, the
importance of the retplas between Indonesia and
Norway as a modality for
developing countries and developed countries can
present a win-win way.
read yesterday two or three days
ago for example replace the Cancel
stopped by Indonesia I don't know what
he said The reason is because the funds
expected from the Norwegian side have
n't been received yet or there are problems but there are
problems OK, bigger issue here be on
fans Hi buk This is not the only
problem that is presented by
initiatives like this, it is
Indonesia's leadership in a
very important field,
environmental sustainability.
What
we have shown double regarding the
problem of becoming a new UC is of course
important expertise or basic requirements, but
also for him it's a mystery for all of us and on the
weekend we can secure
national interests and add the Global Citizen factor
regarding issues or conflict
resolutions that were previously Papa Rizal Sukma
have conveyed many views
on this issue, not only Hi, sir,
underlining daventry, we convey that in
fact we never thought
that everything had to be ASEAN Winner
shared and whenever stamp was unnecessary,
as if shackled, restrained,
controlled by a flashlight installed here,
say a represents with him when we
deal with the problem of what is the Southern Philippines?
There is nothing to do with Asean, it is
through Okay Indonesia and and
what is then Malaysia and what acts
as a neighboring country to the Philippines, there is the
spirit of ASEAN and milk but that is
done through what Oh Echa
six committee
Cambodia NPC request process, the process
initiated by the late Mochtar
Kusumaatmadja
also at that time ASEAN was not yet ASEAN ten
but Indonesia, which bridged
ASEAN five with the LNB investor, in short,
very little jealous, what an
oversimplification to
assume that there are two worlds that exist in
the conflicting
Indonesia must must be able to be able to
end we have managed in the past to
drag ASEAN Which
should we bring when ASEAN Indonesia is
engaged ASEAN drive when Indonesia what is the
ASEAN Wizard gadget design and it is a
reflection of Indonesia itself,
our district cannot hack
the 3rd
party on ASEAN so that ASEAN ASEAN Indonesia so if
A weak ASEAN, yes, we are weak.
So we might
as well be exasperated. Let's
leave ASEAN without Anything,
anything the screen Which can pursue
multiple Projects MIUI What is more than
me regarding the economy I
have already conveyed Digo propagates us what are the
priorities regarding Economics No
integral diplomacy headband
, not only at this time, but whether the intergovernmental go
map is
sleeping,
the last few governments have
focused on economic diplomacy, but
Syahrini is paying more attention,
especially not just foodprint notes or foot
notes.
only interpreted logically
as a commercial trade promotion Import
Export investment is certainly very
important in order to improve the
welfare of all of us, but also
economics, multilateral economic
diplomacy, diplomacy from the nation's
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effect as and Economic Community
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2011 Indonesia, which was okay, Mrs.
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time launched the concept of Asep but no
trading problems
we have our ambition should be bigger
than Death Thank you
Alfamart I am I will let you Start
taking some of these questions a
lot of questions have come
in both at the building area and he paints it on YouTube
Amini I think if I can
categorize there are four issues that are
highlighted in these various
questions, the first is related to Khan
, the second is related to domestic AMP Roses
for policy making,
then related to economics, economic diplomacy
, and the last is related to
maritime so I will take these four issues
to discuss with the final guests.
to give his
first comments on ASEAN this September What
does it mean, Odin's aren't satisfied
with our discussion about ASEAN,
which is already quite a lot,
Mr. The question maybe I can
just direct there are only a few from Zahra
Nadhifa from Indriani Anis Yuniarti
adipraja Christopher Halim What
needs to be done by Indonesia to
maintain the key to ASEAN,
Sir? death is already highlighting the importance of
ASEAN for Indonesia and the importance of
Indonesia for ASEAN, so
what are the factors that determine and
then relate to the principle of
non-intervention Asean What will the
future of this principle look like if for example
now you have a lot of
criticism about this principle am please
I open this, Ladies and gentlemen, expert guests,
please, who wants to start first, Mrs.
Dewi, it seems, please Mrs. Dewi, yes, I
will always make Rizal,
but as said, it is
actually a flash because we know
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that, as we say,
we are Indonesia. it is mainly
inside in Ocean and
But it's not
like BM Diah said when we
formed ASEAN I happened to write
I was here the neighbors so
Soekarno Soekarno there didn't like it
because it was considered a Golden key for
Indonesia, in Asean it was considered as
for the domestic Indonesia, so what
used to be The lighthouse was tied, yes, but
Shakira shared it during the new order and
then until now we have
changed it. Yes. We understand very well the correlation
between our peaceful environment and
peaceful Indonesia itself and
how the shape of that environment will be. Yes,
Indonesia will have the most
color and Malthus will Alfian
really depends on
Indonesia's role there, as Mr. Marty
said earlier, the strongest if Indonesia has
assets, so it's good if I'm here to
be honest from the start, I believe more
in ASEAN, which is not more solid.
1967 to in
ASEAN members because we see ASEAN is able to
solve the Cambodia problem when the
shirt is beyond advice because
action can speak solidly, yes, carry out
various activities, what can be shown
to help during the work period and
there Indonesia plays a role in
changing Cambodia Sean but
others are also outside ASEAN so
playing prongkol, the dead policeman is
close to Vietnam through the military
but close to the link through his
opium, so Indonesia has experience
doing that.
I think
I agree with
Mas Rizal here, there must be a will from
Indonesia to say Inaf Inaf is
like that to force a return to the
Asean charter
revision, I think it's also important that there should be a wookie or not to
say it's comfortable to suspend me yes,
we don't accept that you came first. Canada is
a patient here, so how do
we want to operate on a patient if his girlfriend
himself is in a meeting with the
like. So I think it
will be thrown out, so it's better if
yarmaji membership is suspended first, so the
beach shouldn't be accepted by Glyph because of
that it does give legitimacy,
even though we say he is not
recognized as the head of government, the
head of state, when the
head of h***** arrives, the action is considered to have been
accepted by wanting to know,
so in this case I
do agree that I go to
Asean to justify credibility.
To return to be able to play its central role,
it has to fix
ASEAN's internal problems, and in
this case, Indonesia really has to do
Melati, get it through ASEAN, the staff
was then bilaterally
resume what Mr. Hasan has started. We offer
what we can do. come
Indonesia connection a both through the military
to his wealth and to
the elements of his energy maybe
from political parties from cyber
Putri not as Then from
friends from the European Union from Australia
from America Japan and so on
what can we really do
there Indonesia can be bit with
some other
ASEAN countries so we have to play
with Purwokerto's emotions there but indeed I
see this is a hard point for ASEAN
and and if we look at the travekoka
senasen, usually there can be a
crisis
without the police, usually while the first is
only 76, yes, it's only been since 2015. 2017 if
there is no critical question, ASEAN is also
slow, so this is a paradigm shift, what
needs to be thought about asiatis electrolysis,
there is an internal crisis and there is an
external crisis and so in this case,
Syaiful's momentum this year will probably
start again, for example, when you
return home from shipping, it was
before Indonesia became cea
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gave birth to the political-se call to prayer curity
community, right now, approaching 2023,
they are an epistemic community in Indonesia.
Another product to think about.
How do we fix our fund assets? We
really love ASEAN. Love is formed
by Asean. Yes, we are
good Flava. Thank you, Mrs. Dewi.
Sir,
I want to give
positive husnut Saturday to patients in the midst
of our criticism from the outside world
towards patients, the fact that for
54 years because of ASEAN we have enjoyed
relativist encryption so that we are healthy,
compared to regions such as the
New Middle East, we can
better appreciate what we have achieved.
so much boat
principle of non-interference Asean
since
2002 actually we have
started to dismantle the
claim that the non-interference principle
is the shakhrukh of the ASEAN Principal
I question
Isn't it in article 1 paragraph 2 of the UN charter that the
principle of non-interference has existed
since 45 but we instead of
adhere to the non-interference concept that
Mike's funds, as developed by the
UN, we are still clinging to the old Static
concept with mixed funds, would like to mention
that in 93 at the conference to
Ms. Human Rights in Vienna, it was
agreed as Points Of consensus
that gross violations of Human Rights
is a matter of International concerts,
not domestic. Matters to us, until
this century, we are still debating whether
we talk about human rights violations in the
context of democracy as non-interference
in practice, even though we were HK
in 2003 when we became the Host of the
ASEAN Summit at the ministerial level for the
first time. brought up the
democracy in grosvenor laptop here in March on
the formal agenda even though it was a sensitive issue
before that everything that was
discussed in an
informal dinner forum where only the ministers did
not record a racket
so that our TNI would dismantle it
Then at the AK3 Myanmar in
2008 Amang there was a
narjis vitkac ailun we are more than
just r sanction Indonesia
giving a soft Ultimate ultimatum
for them
if they don't comply with our suggestion to
accept the Asian LED, the ASEAN Faith mechanism
plays a role in between Myanmar and
the UN national community, our gut is ready
to
recommend magma Sorry Myanmar to
try to assess yourself what do
you mean by joining
ASEAN as a member class so far because of
5 portions of Lekop Your Ride makes Asia
difficult, ASEAN picket permit is
currently in the condition of the Ummah and the craziest
too You
refuse outside help So but I
said in the meeting in Singapore
at the ministerial level,
don't forget Nine Of Us will calculate
what we need to have you in Asia
Serin the former secretary general of ASEAN said
head not because the ultimate wanted to go to
Indonesia and the rubino narcis solution
So what surprised my boss? I
wonder if we joined Indonesia and joined Hun
sen Cambodia when the coup happened
yesterday, one proper also said the
domestic mesophase issue, just look at it
state In the informal meeting of
foreign ministers in paragraph 2/3, it was
underlined that so far we have been
consistent in dismantling the
claim that
non-interference from Indonesia to the face of the
Sacred Prince's
sacred accent is not the case and we also don't forget
to note that the Kamasean charter is indeed a
repetition of that principle.
it must be seen in balance
Hey
other goals that Asia wants to achieve
an agreement to build
democracy respecting human rights of citizens who decides
lover official contrast your solution is
defeated by one principle and we
are part of this which
I think is
made it's not just me talking
like that we practice since
2002 to
describe what ASEAN
claims as shakhrukh Khan Rich, the
second of our arguments so far is
that he is Family of ten small family.
Still, as sibling as brothers, we
can ask what is happening in
your country, human rights violations to
murder are not come in interference,
but we enter what
we are helping to do, it can be used as an asset
there, he always appears as the
peg, so
how come we lift it up high, it's
not non-interference, sir, I'm allergic to
hear that soto, so
that's the one with that, right?
ASEAN now, let's see, I just the
measure reached the lowest point in
the 55-year history of ASEAN, we have finished
It has also been counted, not counted. Try
reading articles outside of
ASEAN. I misread the
political importance of asset.
read it, the left of ASEAN has been
counted, the cells that
have
faded, hopefully with that
we can recover them, but they
need new approaches to Indonesia that are
more active,
not just free,
thank you, Mr. OK, Mr. Rizal. Please
follow us so that we can be enemies or
Creep something mp3party maybe the
most flash yes, why study
Madara analytically about ASEAN
because the book is new, ma'am, has it just been published,
ah I want to underline
what Mr. Hasan said earlier, how come
non-interference does not mean
indifference, so this must be understood
correctly or not, so there really is, not
long ago, there are three groups of Saints There are countries
that are indifference by
taking refuge behind the non-coolest, there is the
Ignorance Eden Garden Club was going on,
then there are those who are actively in
opposition, what is the initiative after which
ASEAN should also
take refuge behind what is the not interfere doctrine,
well in that context if it
is economic That
's okay, we don't have to move, we want to be
taught, we are told, we don't have to be tired of the
screen being faced in Aceh by
Indonesia, oh my, the indifference is the same as believing in the
opposition.
change
, it must be agreed first that
The functions that have also been carried out by
Acer so far have also changed. In the past,
Aceh was formed only to manage
relations between countries so that there would be no
conflict, right after confrontations
and so on, but now
there are additional
functions.
argue Don't expect ASEAN to
do anything the goal is not
a&k Pia is B that's right B but
they also achieved an add-on sing ZN
anchovy in Southeast Asia thinking of
using war as an instrument
to solve problems means
that his 2017 goal is achieved now
it's necessary there is a change in
the new objective function which not only prevents
reaching countries but also has to be
able to tomorrow internal problems that
have applications to other countries,
both also contribute to fund
solutions to global problems such as
what have and so on.
I agree with Mr.
Martia, yes, people can do that too
Saying that Asia is like this, because
Indonesia is also like this, eh, it
means that he is not very active,
does he focus on things
like that.
Proving that efs' allegations are
not true is wide open in 2023
Let's work on it Let's prepare it What do
I remember when I was called by Mr.
Hasan in 2001 If I'm not
mistaken Sir, for this we are 2003,
what do you want to be chairman? Here's
what we have to think about, please do a
study, I can remember that at that time,
I said to Mr. San, sir, there are only two
solutions, one we are good
iojas, what do
we do?
strengthening ASEAN installing fees is
Lee's achievement, that's why Let's
Facebook because this opportunity comes
again in 2003, that's the only thing, is it
one of the agents? And yes, that was revising The
Changcuters, right, so you have to
encourage the indifferent what groups of
countries and also deal with the
Sunshine in opposition, Tulip, what use,
who is great, Tampomas, Indonesia, to
convince other ASEAN countries
to sit down and then
try to see the list in
Myanmar exposes lots of witnesses, which can be
upgraded by revising the Asian
Asian charter or anything. ASEAN charters
also still have time. Well, one
thing is different. I believe that my feelings may be
wrong.
I think you're right
now, you just work hard, your playing body
is the only message I can see here and there
, how come the others don't
look like that? Back then, when Indonesia
developed an accessibility cominiti, I
also worked more with Mr.
Marty at that time, even in what language was
Wati Pamerti? dejan yes me and
some friends need to be locked up in
Westi n The hotel is a director, yes,
we are active, the others are also
active, now please feel sorry for Mrs.
Melu if you are alone, don't
let the earth kneel alone, it must be
supported not only from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
with ideas but also by
other ministries
lastly Now there is a big concern, indeed,
because of this pandemic, it turns out
that doing face-to-face diplomacy is very different
by going through zuk via Zoom, you can eat
type, but Open the anti-record movement is
big, except for people like Mrs.
Dewi, dare to say wow, we are
now being told to work Even though it was
recorded, this is what really looks like
a cellphone, so
there is no meeting in the corridor that we can
or persuade someone, Tugelamo
Poinstar, to take steps to support, of course
, I don't understand the hours, OK,
when are we on to achieve
what we want? quickly in 2002, three,
now this is the biggest concert and it's
up to your friends to feel it
What other diplomats are there
in the mix, what are the limits of digital
diplomacy which really interferes with the
process What are the efforts to pursue it Atoz
thugli wiraseno Unsoed legend Maybe
that's all, just
observe, please give a response,
please sir Thank you I also want
to underline that Even though
at this time we have several notes
regarding ASEAN, it is necessary to underline
that for the past 50 years,
Asean's contribution cannot be
underestimated because it is truly
transformational, changing the dynamics of
relations between countries in the region,
changing the dynamics of relations between
ASEAN countries and other countries. -big countries have
changed the economic conditions of Andi in the region,
so Habib cannot be ruled out
and needs to be appreciated and needs to be educated and
recorded as a
very important Asean achievement,
but
once again, of course, we cannot
consider this a necessity,
but must continue to work hard for
what to do. everything for buses that have been
achieved in the past can be maintained
and even
strengthened in areas that
may not have been handled so far,
so that's why I also use
the basic term ASEAN m still in the form of a
question
to make sure you don't get the spirit of the
congratulatory RC sofa wrong. Everything is
good because there is always room and opportunity
to improve it, but all of this
must of course be based on a clear definition of the
problem which size
is relevant to all of them because it
cannot be if each ASEAN country
considers or imposes its will
that it is his will that must be recognized
by all 10 The name of the Asean country is
not Regional Cooperation
, that is what distinguishes
Indonesia's leadership in Asean from, for example, the
leadership of the paint country in other sub-
regions. Is there a country without wanting a negative steak, for
example, the
dynamics in South Asia,
India-Pakistan, South Asia, the
dynamics in South America? there is Brazil,
there is Mexico, there is Argentina and
so on, Indonesia's leadership in
Indonesia was achieved by
Wianda leadership,
maybe there is anger, now it's
too slow, it's too bad, we
are stuck and locked up, but the
quality of holiday sip has been most
sustainable, sbmo sustain.
when Indonesia was not present
in ASEAN, other ASEAN countries were
advil recently those who asked for
Indonesia please Show
your leadership there are not many regions like
this, now you can be an
option for us Do we want to
be a kind of feeling Wow, what is exasperated
emotional upside without holding out
under Bridge Go Oh, I don't think
so, that's why
I was referring to what I wanted to say when the
ASEAN community was launched in the
early 2000s, it was our effort to
ensure ASEAN and the progress of the Bion
Association into something else.
Overseas
discuss there the concept of community
Association air next whatever the Yunian afternoon
and after the water is finished, it becomes a community that
we think can answer the challenges
not for 2003 but for
2020 we were
followed looking so all ASEAN
communities are three pillars with various
capacity situations Sei Soldier
Hai the capacity building is situation
bilding tired to has been carried out
now is the empowerment of the
use of these institutions. Well, yes.
I think the problem at this time is
that ASEAN countries do not stick to and
do not use
institutions that already exist
. Twisted puspol.
but now proper
Reflection has been used,
there is no Acer ASEAN intergovernmental
commission on Human Rights, there is the Asian
Institute Pop Ice reconciliation, there is
ASEAN, edit edit on the issue of
protection of women and children Is
this a different series, colleagues or have you
forgotten or considered it too much? It's too complicated
to read these documents, just make
something new By the way Papa Rizal
Sukma and all my friends I'm
worried if what aspect of converter2 of
opens again at this time with the constellation
in the region at this time there is no
guarantee that what will happen is
progressive In the race ahead, I can
see that there will be regression, there will be things
that are progress,
there will be potential for regression of ASEAN
Human Rights violation and so on,
talking about suspension sanctions,
actually usually chargers already have
that potential because there is a clause in the
Asean charter which states that if
The Leaders think that there is one
country that doesn't comply with its decisions.
Leaders can make
decisions. What decisions are they envious of Saturday
Damn This is where diplomacy is
Indonesia's ability to give
meaning to that, Mr. Hasan, who talked
about non-intervention, is correct
because
so far what Indonesia has been doing is not
just them accept and determine the contents of the
sushi sushi but W establish style
practically I remember accompanying Mr. Hasan
and I also did it after we
became Foreign Ministers without being asked by
any ASEAN country.
developments in Maluku developments
everywhere problems Don't tell them
and we challenge others to
do the same thing and in the form of a
mindset They are finally a little
poor doing that my question
now is Is something like this
done today by Indonesia or are
we talking to other countries
ask for the book of Myanmar to open ourselves, open ourselves,
but are we prepared to open
ourselves to the problems of
our country in the quotation within ASEAN
am not so sure because this concerns the
problem of practical stay, not just a matter of
something based on hi, ouch,
comments on documents, only leadership
Indonesia has so far been shown not
only in the form of institution building
but in establishing ASEAN practices,
when it comes to the
ultimatum that Biotap conveyed When
the Nargis problem and other moments
where Indonesia
Point Blank asked the state
about their choices but that was the
last what's the
last option if the situation doesn't
overwhelm Thailand Cambodia Thailand
Cambodia border conflict between them
2011-2012 they opened up to
Indonesia based on their harshness
to us
was in 2008 when Singapore
became chairman of ASEAN they did not want
any involvement from So,
if ASEAN accepts us, before we
jump straight into the wrong
regime, we
need to look at whether the drawback
is that in the long run the problem of implementing the
demo-mentation of pre-existing agreements,
including diplomacy,
thank you very much, sir, it's
possible to die soon.
I'm done I apologize to all the participants
earlier I promise there will be
more questions but
I don't think time is possible anymore
for us to answer other questions
and I have to close this session immediately
but maybe I'll give the opportunity
to reach the Final Round softworks from
the guests experts may apologize 30
seconds blame only Ting for us to
be able to see a little Samurai the direction
of Indonesia's foreign policy I
start with sculptures then Mr. Marty
then Mrs. Dewi and finally Mr. Reza
submit the following discussion the
sustainability
of the system organization
will depend on
efforts and courage to doing
continuous form
can't start on one system, one
way that people are more effective, this is
continuously for even though both at the
national level in Asean East Asia and in the
end also the world,
please just briefly highlight the
importance of transformational mindset to
change and also leadership Inan
leadership of distinctive thinking and also of
course reform
and
Mr. strengthening of the position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in
decision making and
policy formulation regarding
foreign and short-term political issues can be reborn congratulations
to Caesar Taste, everything that Va has
achieved and God willing, his contribution
in the future is just a big thank you Good
thank you Thank you, Mrs. Dewi, please,
the white ring secretariat, yes, what
is already strong is maintained
and then we must be able to
adapt to the turns
of the hands by strengthening
our capacity and most importantly,
there should be no dichotomy between
domestic and international so internet sticks
this must be strengthened
Fariza
Oh indeed a structure that
smells good is important then what
are good noms is important but of course it
's useless if we don't pay
enough attention to the people who
will sit in the structure and also those who
will carry out the practices nor what
nouns mean our diplomats Faith in
fast resources in the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs Now for that again I
want to emphasize the importance of training and
to build expertise then the
need for strengthening diplomatic infrastructure,
yes, this will certainly be
complementary to the things that were previously
conveyed by Mr. Hasan and also
by Mr. Marty and Mrs. Dewi Thank you for
focusing on the diplomat and good amen.
Thank you very much I say once
again to Mr. Hasan Wirayuda Mr.
Mati Natalegawa Mrs. Dewi Fortuna Anwar
and Mr. Rizal Sukma who have
joined Kyuhyun today until
noon This is to discuss the direction
of Indonesia's foreign
policy, I think we have discussed a lot
and I hope this discussion this morning
can be useful not only for us
at Saestu as well as Dika Minutes colleagues
but also for the general public who are
interested in policy issues
abroad Thank you very much I
also convey a to the audience who have
participated in this activity am Good afternoon
I say wassalamu'alaikum
warahmatullahi wabarakatuh I
return to the MC
thank you to all the expert guests
and also the discussion guides who were in
today's event before I closed the
dialogue event I would like to invite Mr. Jusuf
wandi to give
closing remarks produce Mr. Yusuf agent
short closing words
thank you yes thank you
quickly to my lawyer cut
this I have to
thank you all and I think from
my heart I really
noticed something was in order
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terlingkung and we are so I
thank you for the way is
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looking forward because of that
, for example, in the future we will
share ideas again because ba There are many issues
that we have to talk about
and this is the role of us as a
second track, we hope that we
too, sir, take this decision, how will
ASEAN take our decision,
if we can't reach a consensus, we will
hold a Collision order for our catfish,
which will carry out what we need to
do for the sake of Asia, although not yet
Asian as a whole, accept it.
Thank you for your help and attention
and your thoughts. You are all
filled with us, Aziz and listeners,
all of whom are
tobacco paper buyers, are careful about matters relating
to our foreign policy
, thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr.
Jusuf wandi
Ladies and gentlemen, we have
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Indonesia and the Bear order, I
represent the entire committee of today's event, I would
like to express my deepest
gratitude to all guests,
expert discussion guides and all
participants For those who have joined
today's event, I would like to invite
the honorable ladies and gentlemen back to
the next session of the
Syaiful police dialogue event which
will be held on Thursday 16 Sep 2012
1 at 930 to 1130 West Indonesia time the
event on 16
September will held
in English with a translation feature
into Indonesian hopefully we can
meet again at another time
Thank you for joining this morning And
I hope you all are given health,
see you in
Indonesia still See you and happy
birthday once again Hope it's still
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Rizal, thank you