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you're listening to the human upgrade
with dave asprey
formerly
bulletproof radio
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you're listening to the human upgrade
with dave asprey and today this episode
is already full of lots of juvenile
humor because i don't know i maybe had
extra coffee today or something like
that
it is with my friend dr gary kaplan who
focuses on chronic pain
and integrative medicine and he's a
pioneer in the field and he works with
conventional strategies like stuff that
you know big pharma would sell to you in
fact stuff that big pharma would
probably force you to do against your
will given how big farmers behaved most
recently
but he also does alternative and
functional strategies so this is my
favorite style of thinking where you're
dare i say curious and open
so you just look at the field say oh i'm
just going to pick what works and i
don't really care where it's from i'm
results driven so is board certified
actually
in
two and a half things family medicine
pain medicine and medical acupuncture is
medical acupuncture really a board
certification yes as a matter of fact
it's okay so it's not two and a half i
was like is that is that considered a
board i believe in it
it works
okay good deal yeah that was that well
pain medicine's a joke we all know that
that's just opioids
uh so we could just write that one off
no this is called baiting a pain doctor
it's not a good idea i i owe a great
deal to the 1999 conference where it was
decided with the white paper that
uh
that we would be okay with treating
chronic pain
uh with benign pain syndromes and on
cancer pain
with opioids
and
uh dave haddock
was there doing the presentation and so
one of the things that happened was i
went home and was
going back and forth with with the
opioids and seeing that my patients were
see-sawing back and forth between
depression and
anxiety disorders and chronic pain and
while we're giving them opioids and i'm
going okay this is
what's going on
and so i was blessed at being able to
pull together a study group of a
colleague
from one of the uh the head of uh
outpatient schizophrenic as a matter of
fact at um nih uh jose pood and mike
lumpkin who's a neurophysiologist over
georgetown uh and several of the
psychiatrists uh and other colleagues
who
uh we sat down and said okay what's
going on and what we found out was going
on as we went through the literature
over several months was that
what what evolved out was this
inflammatory model of chronic pain that
pain was inflammation in the brain and
that opioids were not making it better
in fact opioids were making it worse
and then out of that evolved an
understanding of what was causing brains
to be inflamed what are the mechanisms
and out of that evolved a whole new
understanding
of how you get sick why you stay sick
and how you can recover and that led to
my first book which was total recovery
uh in talking about
pain depression uh as
on fatigue among other things as being
part of a
inflamed brain
and at that point so that's back in in
2010 2011 so our understanding was
relatively primitive at that point
because that was the evolution of this
understanding
and
since then we've gotten considerably
more sophisticated but the basis of it
remains the same basically you have an
inflamed brain inflamed brains cause
depression and flame brains cause
anxiety and flame brains cause chronic
fatigue syndrome inflamed brains
cause chronic fibromyalgia
inflamed brains cause the post-treatment
lyme syndrome
inflamed brains caused
pans pandas these pediatric
neurocystic neuropsychiatric disorders
and so
as we started reevaluating all of this
stuff from a standpoint of
neuroinflammation
we started to understand that there were
basically multiple components to this
the first was
certainly some level of genetics
uh the genetics beginning to evolve out
the second was
uh epigenetics so epigenetics you know
well this business of on top of so this
business of what environmental factors
have contributed toward potentially
damaging the immune system because look
80 percent of people get lyme disease
get doxy recover they're done but 20 do
not
well let me let me ask you this i mean
from an aging perspective not just a
pain perspective neuro inflammation and
immune activation that's inappropriate
my gut says about 40 of aging is caused
by inappropriate immune activation and a
lot of the dementia and alzheimer's
things even in my book on it it's tied
to that inflammation so if we treat the
pain are we reducing the inflammation or
do we treat the inflammation to reduce
the pain
if we treat the pain are we reducing the
inflammation or do we treat the
inflammation to reduce the treat the
inflammation to reduce the pain and i
push your floor to 70 percent not not
floating for ages yes wow okay
absolutely positively
and i may be underestimating it at that
because the more we look at these things
the more we're understanding how
inflamed and how difficult we've how
much trouble we've had measuring
inflammation
and so
one of the so i see people who have been
very sick for a very long time and they
come to me with pain they come to me
with chronic fatigue they come to me
with sleep disorders brain fog
difficulty focus concentration right
uh
they're disabled my crew is very very
sick
one of the things i i respect greatly
about you gary aside from your bad sense
of humor uh
it's that it's a sad thing
in the
status thing there you go
in the early days or early-ish days of
chronic fatigue and guys if you don't
you haven't heard my story i had chronic
fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia i
believe it's mostly caused by toxic mold
and there's a whole bunch of
neuroinflammation involved in all this
but people didn't believe it especially
mds but in 2013
the u.s hhs health and human services
secretary put you
on the chronic fatigue syndrome advisory
committee so you were an early doctor
willing to raise your hand and say um
these patients are not all bad people
maligner or crazy people they're
actually sick and we need to do
something what made you know this was
real before most of the people knew it
was real so when you see
one person with this problem you're kind
of going eh
you see a second person with a very
similar set of complaints you're going
something there
you see a third person and so it's a
function of listening to and paying
attention to people and you're going
okay we're missing something
clearly these people are sick these
people are disabled these people are not
malingering
and
frankly most of the time they've been
pretty damn beat up by the medical
profession
my average patient has seen somewhere
around 20 to 30
other physicians before i see them and
many of them have been told they're
crazy they've been told they've been
dismissed they've been and in some cases
they've been out and out physically
abused by docs
um who refused to believe uh that they
were sick and performed procedures on
them they had no business performing
that was my story aside from probably
the physical abuse
but you could see and they thought i was
nuts they thought i was trying to get
drugs yeah you know they i did all this
guys
do you not see when i walked in the door
like i have a successful career i'm
working really hard here and i feel like
i've been poisoned and they go maybe you
should lose weight
you should go after yourself because you
can't tell me how to do that and i did
everything and they looked at me like i
was lying but you didn't look at your
patients like they were lying so what
makes you different than a normal i
don't say normal doctor because so many
doctors listen to the show and they
actually are working to listen but i
certainly had the experience
multiple like at least a dozen times of
people saying there's nothing wrong with
you except for you so i think one of the
things was this understanding of
neuroinflammation which i had very early
on
uh i also understood about mold toxicity
i worked with richie shoemaker back in
2000
uh shortly after he wrote his book mold
warriors
and so i had a lot and then the other
thing is acupuncture quite honestly
because in acupuncture we talk about
root causes
too often what we do in medicine is we
name the symptom and we decide into the
disease without understanding with the
passive physiology if you'll excuse the
expression but basically understanding
the mechanism via which the disease is
occurring and so at the point that we
started understanding we were looking at
inflammation in the nervous system that
caused us to turn around and start
asking a whole different set of
questions about what was wrong with
these people how they got to be the way
they were my intakes grew from a half
hour to 45 minutes to now it takes me
two hours to do an intake on a patient
because i need to get the totality of
what's going on with them to understand
how they got to where got into my office
how why they're here
and that history includes
child abuse
there's uh quite often surprisingly for
bodily pain and inflammation whether
it's emotional or physical or sexual a
background of abuse predisposes you to
inflammation or birth trauma even will
do it which was part of my story
absolutely positively and
uh and the problem is when you hear the
story of child abuse the
frequently the docs immediately shut to
going to
go to the psychiatrist
right and the psychiatrist
i've got
so let me i'll give you two things first
one is uh
child abuse child neglect unquestionably
sets you up for a broken immune system
it sets you an autoimmune disease it
sets you up for heart disease it sets
you up for obesity it sets you up for
early alzheimer's it sets you up for a
whole range of very real very serious
and sometimes life-threatening diseases
so
child abuse and child neglect needs to
be factored into our healing process
as we help people recover
child abuse also is not infrequently in
environments in which there is
deprivation food
uh exposure to mold because of uh
poor living conditions maybe exposure to
other human beings and smiles
could that be a form of deprivation
oops maybe we're making some mistakes in
our society today people
we listen human touch is you know i've
got two patients who come in to see me
who basically need hugs when they walk
in the office they just need and i hug
almost all my patients
uh
because it waters you it nurtures you
human touch is important appropriate
human touch but human touch and being in
a loving environment is absolutely
crucial for our
our growth our development
our proper maturation
so that has to be a factor in everything
that we do the other thing is being sick
having your life disappear when you're
20 years old or 16 years old
because you got sick
and now you're disabled and you're out
of school and people are telling you
you're crazy there's an abuse by the
medical system that occurs as well
and we have to be attentive
so prime case a young woman i just
started seeing she's
about 17 years old
since age 10 she develops
obsessive-compulsive disorder she's got
uh she develops severe depression she
develops cutting behavior she's
hospitalized psychiatrically
okay
so what do you think that does to the
self-esteem to a young woman that she's
been told pretty much
most of her life that she's crazy and
treated as such by the psychiatrist and
nothing is working
well we took a look at her from a
neuroinflammatory standpoint and what
was the matter with her
she has lyme disease not subtly lyme
disease she has full cdc criteria lyme
disease that's been missed had that too
so and
she had has antibodies in the central
nervous system so she has if you'll
excuse the expression again autoimmune
encephalopathy of infectious etiology
this is a
situation where the body's immune system
is attacking the brain as a result of
the of an over response to an infection
these are myelin antibodies
specifically to the lining of them
so they're specifically and we look at
the cunningham panel
it's not so much the myelin because
myelin is going to give you a different
presentation but it will be to the
receptors and the dopamine receptors in
particular uh and so we're looking at
specific receptors in the brain
cunningham panel is what we utilize uh
to determine damage that's been done
specifically interestingly enough in the
limbic system so that gives you issues
with focus concentration it gives you
adhd that gives you obsessive compulsive
disorder that gives you depression that
gives you generalized anxiety disorders
sleep disturbances
behavioral problems
so does this explain half of the
behavior of kids in school i know that
that stuff explains what was going on
with me i mean yeah i was a high high
scoring student top of my class in high
school kind of thing but they wouldn't
let me be top of the class because i was
such a dick so they made me number two
because i was such a bad person
from their perspective
uh but you know the behaviors i did have
ocd and i had certainly all sorts of
autoimmune conditions i had lots of
toxic mold
probably active lyme disease bartonella
all the stuff you see in your chronic
patients
probably the reasons i do biohacking and
bulletproof say look if i can come back
from all the crap that i dealt with i'm
the hardest like i'm your worst patient
except i pulled it off and so i want
people who see that to go oh you know
there is hope and then i also want
people who didn't have that to go well
if you can do that what's the next level
i can get to because i don't do anything
um
do you ever see patients who are totally
healthy or like i just want to kick ass
or are you like all about you know
you're the walking dead zombie land like
i was i have a small percentage of
patients who want to kick ass and the
interesting thing is what we've learned
from the patients who are really really
sick
is how to really optimize your
performance
to get really really healthy
and the interesting thing is what we've
learned from the patients who are really
really sick
is how to really optimize your
performance to get really really healthy
the percentage of people in my practice
who are really really sick kind of
overwhelm my ability and time to take
care of that other we have other docs in
the practice who work on
uh
essentially longevity and
super health
um
so that's part of the practice and it's
come out of what we've learned from
taking care of these really really sick
people
and how we can back up remember that
remember that condo in
um
in florida that collapsed
uh within the last year
okay so you've got people building these
million dollar multi-million dollar
penthouses uh in this thing which has a
rotten basement
and the whole thing collapsed i heard it
collapsed because all the people in
florida thought masks were so
they were just throwing them away and it
clogged up the sewage there in that
coast that was part of the problem no no
no no that was part of the florida
florida has so much freedom that they
just couldn't stand it there i don't
know they had so much freedom that they
didn't feel any need to enforce building
inspection codes
exactly that before and the mafia was
probably involved for four years was
saying you know this place is going to
fall down and
yes it did
and then and by mafia just to be really
clear i was not talking about the fda or
cdc or something like the real mafia
just just so in case there was anything
government of florida
so
so what so this is what we have to be
careful of right we have to be careful
of
of building these
magnificent exteriors when in fact
underlying is this horrible inflammatory
process that's eating away at us so do
we have mold toxins do we have old
unresolved emotional issues that need to
be addressed as part of our healing do
we have problems with exposure to
glyphosates roundup
what percentage of your patients don't
have old emotional problems
oh i would say about uh 45 50
have no emotional problems affecting
them no they have emotional problems but
have been induced by virtue of the
illness and the way they've been treated
in the medical profession that's 100
oh so so there's the the mtsd medical
induced trauma
and it's true absolutely guys
i kind of feel ashamed to admit this but
i was so pissed i hated doctors i
mistrusted them i saw them as the enemy
after the guy in palo alto told me
vitamin c would kill me and didn't
believe anything i said and i'm like
these guys they don't know what
they're talking about i will go do this
myself and i spent four hours a night
until i fell asleep at my desk studying
biology and cellular health and
everything and when i finally went to a
doctor i walked in i was like i guess
it's i'm in california you can't bring a
handgun with me but i'm gonna go in
anyway
and i was like i have one of these seven
conditions and i want this lab from this
place and if that's the case here's my
treatment plan and to her credit her
name was dr christine
um she said well dave i believe you and
i'm like what
she believed me this has never happened
before i didn't know they made doctors
like that and she said can i at least
order your list for you
and i said yes
and she said oh you have lyme disease
and it turns out i had toxic mold which
was number two on the list that induce
lyme but hey i'm going to give her lots
of credit so to christian green if
you're listening hey thank you but there
are trustworthy doctors so if you're
stuck you're listening to this you're
stuck in that doctors are a bunch of
jerks no they're actually more like gary
than you'd ever believe you just have to
find the ones who are allowed to have
enough time with you right so that's my
psa for the day i keep going but i think
your your point is extremely important
in terms of time because what's happened
is the medical profession has been taken
over by the insurance company and so
docs are being forced to work to with
the insurance company dictates which is
about a seven eight minute visit you
cannot do this medicine in seven eight
minutes you have to have time to
respectfully listen to the story you
have to get clear on what's going on in
all aspects of their lives and you're
not allowed to super focus on
just the cough and not pay attention to
the sleep disturbances and the brain fog
and the digestive issues and everything
else going on with the person because
the fact they're all interrelated and we
have to look at this as one organism all
having these different symptoms that's
okay but then what's the unifying factor
for most of our patients the unifying
factor is inflammation in the central
nervous system
then how do they get there then we start
the investigation walking through it the
reason most people are sick
and have normal labs is because we
haven't done the right labs yet
thank you okay that we're going to cut
that out and make a little instagram
thing for that it's totally true they
say there's nothing wrong with you it's
because you didn't look hard enough
right and you were smart enough to
actually do the research and dave
just between us
you are the single smartest non-doc i
know in the medical area
you do your research no no you're very
careful you do your research i love your
books i've learned from your books and
you've really been very thoughtful and
careful about the message you put out
and
extremely systematic in the way you go
about organizing your thinking and
getting this out to the public it's been
a huge public service and do more do
more because truly dave i mean what you
do is extremely important
well i i appreciate it and i'm also
grateful for a difference between us
um i don't have a license you can take
away for speaking the truth
and i've had so many doctors say that
i've said it on stage at the american
academy of anti-aging medicine actually
they're meeting today
you and i couldn't make it there
obviously
but
in fact i met my wife there years ago
so it it's one of those things where
where especially now more than ever
before doctors are
are
actually being handcuffed
or threatened with blackmail by their
licenses if you talk about this certain
horse medication that the who used on
four billion people or proof reuse but
we can't talk about that if you're a
doctor i can talk about it they just uh
have shadow banned my account i can i
can show a video to
a quarter million people and a thousand
new people get to see it versus before
it would have been 25 or 50 000. so the
fact that i'm speaking about this i
still get punished but i don't get
punished by losing my livelihood the way
they will for doctors so you're even
just doing
early stage chronic fatigue early stage
neuro influence talking about child
trauma all of those are risks you take
to help patients right so i want to
honor that for you as well and i'll keep
doing it but i can't do it if master's
like you tell me all the good stuff
even if it's off camera
i'll repeat it let's step aside for a
second if we can if you're willing to i
want to talk about this conference i've
organized and why i've organized it okay
absolutely we have put together um
a faculty that is some of the literally
best and brightest in the world and
where they're not talking fringe docs
i'm talking
uh physicians from oxford i'm talking
physicians from israel from germany all
top institutes all highly regarded in
their professions from columbia from
yale from
stanford and i'll be biased or
georgetown as well but also from duke is
it on the list of top schools still i
thought don't give me that
no it's painful the uh
but
the what we've done is so there are
several things i wanted to do so one was
i've brought together geneticist uh
epigeneticists uh
sean feld is the
yohan hashem feldenk from israel is the
leading epigeneticist on autoimmune
diseases in the world
and
i've got
people who are
expert
clothing dendro is
runs her own name lab at oxford
uh reasonably
prestigious place uh on autoimmune
diseases
and
we've got ocha ropara on the gut
microbiome
and what we've done is we've brought
together
these really top docs and researchers
from around the world
so that we could present a conference to
tell the rest of the profession that a
all of these conditions are real
chronic fatigue syndrome fibromyalgia
chronic pain syndromes
and redefine them from their symptoms
into the pathophysiology that causes
which is neuroinflammation
and then
how to go about treating them so it's a
very high level medical conference yeah
is autism on that list as well i don't
know enough about autism i think it is
and i think what happens in autism is
early on it there there's a disruption
of the gut microbiome i've seen studies
uh in cases we've repaired that but it
doesn't hold so there's a heavier
genetic factor in there
uh but
autism is on the rise i'm not an expert
in that area
into the day after having had asperger's
syndrome and and doing a lot of work in
the space it is clearly a neuroimmune
condition and a neuroinflammatory
condition and there is no one cause of
neuroinflammation as you well know so i
would put it on the list it's just
earlier whether it's in the uterus or
after and whether there's genetic risk
factors there are for every one of these
conditions that are tied to
having an infection getting an
inappropriate immune response to the
infection that then causes long-term
symptoms
so when we go through this list of
people we're talking about about 20
million people just in the u.s
not worldwide okay just in the u.s
and they're not being treated properly
they're being told they're crazy when in
fact they're sick
and so what i wanted to do was
first stop
was get the profession's attention with
a really high level conference we're
going to have this uh proceedings
published in one of the immunology
journals
and so
we're going to create an opportunity for
docs to understand what the
pathophysiology of this disease is what
the cause of this diseases how to go
about that pathway to how i'll go about
treating it
and so
our patients will be able to have this
information we want we want civilians if
you will non-docs at this conference
it's a virtual conference you can attend
it from home
this is about backing you up this is
about helping you understand yes you're
really sick yes we now understand why
you're really sick everything no but
we're getting there and now you can go
to your own doctor and say by the way
here's this information so we want to
take the sense of helplessness and
hopelessness out of the docs when these
patients come to them because they don't
know what to do with them and say here's
a path here's an understanding of this
by some of the best and brightest docs
in the world
so that's one powerful that the first
thing we want to accomplish with this
segment what's the name of the
conference and is it open to lay people
or is this a doctor's only country no no
we want as many lay people at this
conference as possible because what
we're doing in addition to having all of
these top docs peppered throughout the
conference is going to be stories of
patients
told by themselves about what they've
gone through in order to get find a
healing path for themselves because we
want to constantly be connecting the
academic to the clinical we want to be
connected to the patients who are
struggling with these conditions
so the conference has the really ugly
title of autoimmune encephalopathy
secondary to infectious disease a new
perspective on the pathogenic
interactions of the immune system
infections stress and chronic disease
this is why doctors should never do
marketing ever ever
say that again
[Laughter]
so
but
the website that you can go and register
on is hope hopehealingknowledge.com
we'll keep that simple
and and guys this is this if you it's in
february but if you do it before uh some
kind of sometime in mid-january it's
like 69 bucks so this isn't you know uh
uh
it isn't a highly expensive thing it's a
four day lots of lots of knowledge
everyone listening to this
doesn't have one of these weird i don't
know what that's wrong with me but a
meaningful number of us do
and a meaningful number of people who
think there's nothing going on because
oh it's normal for things to hurt all
the time like i thought it was supposed
to hurt to walk until i was 24. oh wow
you could walk without hurting i had no
idea literally i had no idea like i was
a competitive athlete and i had no idea
because pain's a part of it
and i don't generally experience pain
anymore because i deal with inflammation
and neuroinflammation now magically my
brain works
so
i think this is worth your time if
you're interested in performing better
or if you have if you know that
something's wrong or if you think
something's wrong this is this is cool
because it's real it's not fake and
this your idea of
renaming these symptom-based
diagnoses with cause-based diagnosis is
really really important
because it'll it'll let doctors who
don't have time to do what you've done
in your career to go really deep and be
triple board certified and to look at
the hard cases they're getting five
minutes of patient because that's what
the insurance companies
have mandated and by the way mandates
are evil from anyone anywhere we'll just
have to say that but um anyway they uh
they have gone
uh and they don't have time to do it so
if it's not in the dsm
if it's not a standard diagnosis
it doesn't they can't treat it but you
will change the field of medicine with
this conference if you do it right and
you're going to help a lot of people who
are sick so there you go it's uh it
happens in mid-february february 9th and
hope healing knowledge
hopehealingknowledge.com
is the website where you can go and
register now the other thing that
happens with this conference we know
because we're doing this at a very high
academic level this will i think this
will
there's plenty of it that will be
accessible to the public
and makes sense to them but what we're
going to do is three weeks later for
those who attend this conference we're
having a second conference for which
there's no charge that's part of this
package where there'll be a two hour q a
bring it down to earth bring it down to
practic
practical matters
how do you specifically employ this
information we just worked out at this
high level and
for you how is it exactly relevant to
you how do you move forward in terms of
your own healing path based on what just
came out of this conference
now
there's a second thing coming out of
this conference we hadn't anticipated
because we're also looking at postcode
and we actually are appreciative of
postcode
you're listening to the human upgrade
with dave
asprey also looking at postcode and we
actually are appreciative of a postcard
i i was hoping we're going to get to go
there on this and when you say post code
i'm pretty sure that when it comes out
it's going to go post
and we'll just put a bleep over that
each time because if anyone talks about
this online other than
it's getting uh it's getting shut down
but everyone know what you're talking
about
so these are people who continue to have
symptoms some of them fairly disabling
at least a month or later after they've
had a case of coke all right cdc has
this on their website this is not magic
it's real it's real yeah
it's real but the beauty of this thing
and what i had hoped the silver lining
would be in this whole situation is that
it would advance the fields of
immunology and virology about a decade
and it's done that yeah
and very cool things have now happened
so one of the things that's going to
happen at this conference is we're going
to have bruce patterson speaking we have
opened a
post bleep clinic
um
where
[Laughter]
where i think you're allowed to say that
they love it because it's actually i
might get less listeners so i'm just
going to say long bleep long-haul
post-covered syndrome
yeah but
the so bruce has identified a piece of
the immune system that's been broken as
a result of the infection
and
now what we're doing is we're looking at
cytokine panel now what's a cytokine
cytokines are small molecules that come
out of the inflammatory cells
that turn on and off inflammatory
processes they're the ones that actually
govern inflammation and uh quieting of
inflammation
and growth for that matter
i'm i'm laughing because two weeks into
i wrote a big detailed blog post about
everything you can do to reduce
interleukin-6 or l6 which is the primary
inflammatory molecule it's not the only
one but the primary one in bleep right
and i received a letter from the
government to take it down so i did
well there's
literature that backs you up
uh
in the medical literature peer review i
cited it
it's ridiculous but cytokines are at the
key for all inflammation and people have
long
beep
they actually get
uh they actually have cytokines that
stay elevated right right and you know
which cytokines are elevated with and so
the il-6 is a famous one uh oh good lord
tnf alpha what are the other ones one of
the big ones
which one tnf alpha tissue crossing
tactically is also one of the major uh
stays of this thing but interleukin-13
oh god you want the list the list goes
interleukin-6
uh chemokine uh factor l3 chemical
factor l5 rantes uh gm uh
csf there's a whole series of letters
and numbers interleukin-8 the egf based
endothelial growth factor which is tied
to mold in a big way which is why i know
about that in il6 right interleukin 10
and uh chemokine 4 interleukin 2.
so there's a whole bunch of these
factors and what's particularly
interesting
is that
we have figured out certain medications
that we can use to target to modulate
these things and more importantly as
we're seeing people get better
yeah and we're seeing them recover not
in a year's time but in a matter of
weeks to a month
now i'm going to say something that's
probably irritating to you okay
now
if you were to replay this or look at
the transcript of that list or look at
the literature that's available and you
cannot use google anymore to do this
because google will not give you medical
information that's useful they have
stopped being useful as a search engine
i cannot write my books using them
anymore so i use a
search engine called duckduckgo but
there are others
and
i think doctors need to hear that
especially because frankly you guys can
all go to medline and whatever the
dumbest
the dumbed down stuff it's not useful
for you but of course pubmed anyway you
can go there and you can search natural
compounds that will reduce these things
and you can talk about them one of my
favorite compounds when you probably
uh know about is andrographis
which is an herb that fun funny enough a
20 reduction in all
lung infections for people who take it
and a 20
reduction in the duration and severity
of their symptoms now i don't care what
the lung infection is i'm going to take
that stuff when i travel and i have for
years because it's inconvenient to get a
cold
right it's not so but talking about that
in the context of bleep you just don't
do that anymore but that's something i
take regularly so there's a whole bunch
of other things so if you get a test
from gary or from any of the people who
are going to be at the hope healing
knowledge summit
they're going to tell you what these are
and you can find out what compounds
pharmaceutical and non-pharmaceutical
could lower the ones you have that are
high and then you could probably have a
reduction in symptoms better yet get a
lab test see a doctor work with a doctor
maybe you don't have the doctor you
don't have the money you have a right to
say i'm going to try this 12 herb
because it might work and the side
effects are unlikely to be a big deal
that's the biohacker street smart i
don't have the money way of approaching
this and if you have the money you get
the lab and then you treat it with a
doctor and if you only have some money
you get the lab and then you treat it
yourself and you have a right to do that
a fundamental human right that no
government can take away you're here
no not right you're absolutely correct
and by the way one of the medications we
use
uh is aspirin
baby thank you for saying that yes
aspirin is ridiculously good at mast
cell regulation right we good for mass
regulation but it's also good at
specific cytokine regulation
so now 81 milligrams
oh so you like the uh the child's dose
not the full 340 we don't need it
we can accomplish the same thing
so now less is more i have to ask you a
question you're going to know this
because you've you've been in practice
for so long and i think you have way
more information than i do
um there's a whole body of knowledge
that says okay aspirin is probably good
for you in low dose there's also a body
of knowledge that says it probably
contributes to macular degeneration um
if you take it for long periods of time
and there's gi bleeding right so the
standard of care is to take pepcid ac or
a similar h2 blocker with aspirin to
stop
the bleeding of the stomach that'll do
for the stomach but it won't do for the
rest of the intestinal tract the problem
with non-steroidal anti-inflammatory
meds of which aspirin is one
is we focus on the stomach in terms of
bleeding but the reality of the matter
is uh it causes ulceration in 75 percent
of people who take it chronically
in the large intestine in the small
intestine so your gut microbiome your
gut blood barrier is severely disrupted
with chronic use of these things so we
do have to be attentive to this stuff i
mean and we want to be specific about
who's using it how long they're using it
but taking pepcid is only going to
protect your stomach you will not
protect the rest of the gastrointestinal
tract of which there's so what do we do
how do you balance it out individualize
individually so if you have proper
tissue
willing to get leaky gut maybe
to get rid of it or do you take some
other supplements with the aspirin like
slippery elm or something
so i think basically you got to balance
the whole thing right so i think
consistently taking probiotics is a very
spiffy idea
uh and so taking those to begin with i
think that uh otherwise dgl can help
protect the gut deglycerated licorice
okay yeah that's a really good idea we
need to be deglycerinated not straight
licorice because straight licorice has
this tendency to raise your blood
pressure so unless you happen to have
pots we don't want to do that
so good i have pots and i like dgl so
i'll take regular hands
okay it's a bit bitter but nevertheless
um and this stuff we buy as licorice
isn't
it's full of gluten and sugar and
flavoring and it's not hot gut and it's
not to have any licorice in it so yeah
so you gotta buy real licorice which is
hard to come by in the states because uh
it's regulated because of its our risk
for raising blood pressure
so which some portion of people actually
need so they don't get dementia
absolutely correct that goes back to the
viagra dementia study from two days ago
where taking viagra has a 69
decrease in symptoms of dementia because
of blood flow right so
there's that reason to raise it maybe
the regulator should back off and let us
make decisions with our doctors just
saying just give some thought just a
thought so
we're trying to put this whole thing
together
to get people to understand that there's
real they're really sick not kind of
sick they're really sick why they're
sick
let their doctors understand this and
then how to get better
and then put it in their hands now the
next stage because you asked a very
interesting question which is how many
people have this so what we want to do
uh
and
we've had this conversation with brett
uh when we were together in um san diego
the next stage is i want to do a study
looking at the juvenile detention system
and
kids who've been hospitalized
psychiatrically and i want to know what
percentage of these kids are really sick
what percentage of them have
neuroinflammatory disease
and actually define that population my
bet from the literature that i've seen
it's going to be every bit of 25 if not
higher
so we've got a bunch of kids that we are
another example i had a kid come to me
who was suicidal who uh
not responding to any of the
antidepressant medications he tried to
hang himself really a complete mess
no gastrointestinal problems but because
i'm looking for
a
a neuro-inflammatory process i do a
neuro-inflammatory workout which
includes
looking for celiac disease
of which five percent of cases will
present with only neuropsychiatric
symptoms depression anxiety disorders
concentration he had full-blown celiac
full-blown and didn't know it because he
wasn't farting exactly correct
exactly correct
we took him off all gluten we had to do
some other gut repair stuff uh
over the course of a year off all
antidepressants depression is completely
resolved i still see him as a patient
we're five years later he just comes in
for checkups uh he's 100 percent
no returner depression no nothing so
this failure to look at
these causes of inflammation in the
brain is causing a lot of people to
remain very sick to be labeled
psychiatrically you know when they're
not
and to be become disabled when they
don't need to be
we have to do better we can do better
uh we can indeed um there's so we all
know now we're familiar with long
there's another condition that i'm in a
term i just made it up a long strap
do you know which one i'm talking about
pandas can you talk about what pandas is
so pandas is a case where kids get sick
and officially defined as uh before the
age of 13 but in fact it's how it occurs
after that and what happens is they get
a strep infection they frequently don't
get a strep infection they get multiple
strep infections throughout the point
and there's one point at which they
develop
psychiatric symptoms
obsessive-compulsive disorders really
bizarre behavioral
pseudo seizures uh and they're called
student seizures because if you put them
in they look like a seizure except if
you put them in a lab and you do studies
eeg studies they're completely normal
but these kids run away they scream they
i had one kid do about ten thousand
dollars with the damage to the house he
would have these events and he would
break windows he would put his fist
through a plate glass window not an easy
thing to accomplish without breaking his
hand
and
what happens is they and they go into
these
like fugue states they're essentially a
type of seizure activity with behavioral
responses and they come out of them and
they are sweet and lovely and great kids
but they are they do have these events
and it scares the bejesus out of the
parents and the kid and nobody knows
what to do with them and when we look at
these kids they've got chronic strep
their asot towers are extremely elevated
and so we have and they've got
antibodies to their brain as a result of
this chronic step this is the kind of
impact because because the strep
presents a protein that looks like the
brain so eventually the body's like i
always have this damned invasive
infection let's make antibodies to it so
this is molecular i'm not certain and
swale by the way who defined this
condition is one of our speakers
okay i am so excited about about this
conference
um because i would love to hear that i
had chronic strap as a kid i had it
every month for 15 years i would take
antibiotics and i had ocd and some
behavioral stuff i didn't have all of
the symptoms you talked about no one's
ever diagnosed me with pandas but i've
often thought i had some of this stuff
going on because how could you not after
that much strep throat and a history of
autoimmunity
and one of the fugue state things and
you put me underneath fluorescent lights
or bright leds to this day i can look at
it there's an eeg response and it's not
a seizure
but it's disordered whole brain
theta activity where i i come out
people think i was awake but i actually
don't feel like i was awake
uh and i've learned to manage all that
stuff it's all manageable but it's a
pain in the ass and i wish it'd be gone
my question for you there is
do you see in the next five years 10
years 20 years just in what time frame
when are we going to know how to go in
and turn off stupid immune activation
like this like i want to flip those
switches back i think we can turn them
off in a high percentage of people now
and i think we'll be able to turn them
off in pretty much everybody in the next
five years
all right see this is what i like to
hear so
i'm talking beyond just generalized you
know anti antihistamines like claritin
does amazing work for a long time
i mean like just flip the switch so if
i'm exposed to
whatever
that molecule is my immune system stops
targeting my brain maybe it doesn't care
if i get strapped it just fights the
strap and doesn't punch me back in the
face
now there's some interesting secondary
problem with a lot of these kids that's
been missed
the reason you get all these strep
infections is because a piece of your
immune system isn't present specifically
subclasses of igg so we label pieces of
the immune system a g m e
okay so ige igm igg
and there are four subclasses of igg and
typically there's a drop out of one of
the classes of igg and that's why you're
susceptible to all these infections
because the body can't mount a proper
response to it and we can fix that by
restoring the igg content with uh ivig
intravenous simulant clomids so that's
one way i would fix the number of these
kids and adults as a matter of fact
adults present differently but they
present essentially with the same
problems as the kids their brains are
inflamed
one of the big reasons that i did
moldy the documentaries moldymovie.com
guys you haven't seen it's free it's an
hour it's worth every minute of your
time to watch it and i will second them
oh thank you um it's it's because the
number one cause of strep throat in kids
is environmental toxic mold you're going
to a moldy place
the bacteria in your throat say oh look
here's an antibiotic in the air i'm
under threat let me form a biofilm and
become more aggressive and then you get
more of the toxins that it makes and
then if you are unfortunate to have this
kind of immune system oh look they're
autoimmunity to your brain and then you
start punching plate glass windows or
maybe other kids is the case maybe
um possibly in my case
so
they punch me first that's all i'm
saying
so
we can avoid all this crap number one
let's have cleaner structures number two
let's have the ability when people get
sick to address the autoimmune things
and this leads it's a long way leading
to my question about long bleep
um
i have suggested to multiple people who
called me and said hey dave i got this
thing i'm not feeling great i'm it's not
the end of the world you know what what
would you do if you had it by the way
this is what i did when i did have
uh as i said you know i think i want
less immune activation like the
overarching inflammatory stuff i am
going to take h1 and h2 histamine
blockers
um during and for six weeks after having
because it reduces mast cell activation
i'm less likely to have long-term immune
effects from this because i want to
reduce my incidence of that and i want
to feel better so in other words that's
claritin and pepsi
good strategy bad strategy i think it's
a perfectly good strategy i think the so
you have to back up and the question you
have to ask is
what causes inflammation right so if
you've got itchy eyes and a runny nose
and secondary allergies all right that's
because allergens are being attacked by
ige typically and you're getting
histamine release and mast cells so what
you want to do is stabilize the mast
cells and you can do that with
antihistamines or you can do
immunotherapy which teaches your body to
stop paying so much attention to this
stuff quit being such a delicate flower
the other thing though is if you skin
your knee and that gets infected
okay and it's
all red and angry
treating that with an antihistamine is
going to work because the mediator of
inflammation there is bacteria so you
need an antibiotic to treat that and
because of lipopolysaccharide instead of
from exactly correct
in the brain the inflammation can be
mast cells the inflammation can be
microglia
okay the inflammation is astrocytes and
the inflammation can be uh from the
acquired immune system and then there's
this whole gut microbiome communication
which is literally our second brain and
about 70 of our immune system and so
that has to factor in to what we're
doing as well and so we've got to be
attentive to that there are subspecies
of
clostridia which can overgrow not cause
diarrhea but sure as hell screw your
brain so they produce substances like hp
hpa and for crazol and so we have to be
again if we don't test for it we don't
look for it we don't find it and so you
have to look at putting together an
entire picture in order to help somebody
fully recover
and so everything we can do is look at
okay why what's causing the inflammation
so low dose naltrexone
excellent drug in order to treat
hyperreactive microglia
cbd actually quiets down
uh microglia
so can be effective in terms of reducing
inflammation in the brain
for some people but not all for
different strains of cbd right just want
to be really clear that's still a little
bit of
fuzz around the edges so one brand may
work for you and it might not work for
your friend and vice versa that's
exactly correct and that drives me a bit
crazy because i can't there's no
standardization that i can simply tell
you this makes sense and it varies so
much from state to state
it does so we
so there's lots of things which will
quiet quiet down that whole process
chroma and sodium in terms of mast cell
stabilization uh
some can be ketotifen which is an
antihistamine which is both an
antihistamine and a mast cell stabilizer
so uh
and the interaction between the
microglia and the
mast cells is extremely important and
the interaction between the microglia
and the acquired immune system that's
the antibodies system is extremely
important and the beauty by the way so
the other unbelievably exciting thing
that's happening here as we've had a
conversation a month ago that rocked my
world looking at these cytokines is
we're now asking the questions what's
the definition of a persister
so persisters we have believed in the
past were you still had strep in your
system you still have someone in your
system someone who treats a disease but
it's still present after the symptom
scope right that's a persistence but but
the
but we've been thinking it's a viable
organism
okay it's chronic fatigue syndrome
associated with epstein-barr
mono it's uh
mycoplasma pneumonia there's a whole
bunch of different bugs in addition to
lyme but we think that we've thought for
years that they maybe remain active and
in co
we know they're definitely not active
so what's a persister it may be a piece
of the organism still left in the system
still tickling the immune system and so
now all we need to do is find the
cytokine patterns to identify the piece
of the immune system that we need to
target and modulate them not turn it off
but modulate them and we will have we
already have a set of tools to do that
we are going to be able to do that
unbelievably well within the next three
years
and this is going to completely change
how we define diseases and this is going
to completely change how we treat
diseases this is really breakthrough and
we're going to be talking about that at
this conference
the first time anybody's talked about it
because we just kind of figured this out
about a month ago talking uh
with ruth patterson joe bellante myself
and me cats and we went holy mackerel we
have got 50 patients with chronic
fatigue syndrome post-lyme syndrome that
have been now fed through a deep
learning program that bruce has and
we're waiting for those results to come
out and see with the buckets drop
all right what you just said there
i i'm going to have to kind of step back
and do another psa okay i have said i'm
going to live to at least 180.
well you just we figured out last month
because 50 patients worth of data went
through deep learning and we didn't know
this
this is why if we can't do better than
our current best in the next 120 years
using deep learning i swear it's because
a comet hit the planet or we ran out of
topsoil and since i'm building topsoil
on my farm and i'm hoping that you will
join me if it's at all possible for you
to do the same thing or at least support
local farmers let's just do those things
and let's do our asteroid defense stuff
elon i'm counting on you and then we can
all live to 180 like this is doable
and it is doable you're absolutely
correct but we're going to have to
understand what aging is differently and
aging is ultimately inflammation
and then how do we
how do we dial it back how do we how do
we take the poisons out of our system
both that are already in and the ones
that are already there and how do we
fine-tune the immune system so that it's
really working for our benefit and not
against us
you're doing something else magic with
the summit it's that
you're bringing enough big names from
big institutions that it hopefully will
be undeniable right because in the
history of medicine in the last 50 years
there has been an enormous amount of
repression of valid ideas
just a built-in bias and that's not to
to say medicine doesn't work or it's bad
or even that there are necessarily bad
people in charge although i would argue
there are some of the time
but
um it's a systems behavior that all
human systems all companies do that
there's a reason that big tobacco said
it was good for you and 51 000 doctors
support the idea you should smoke right
so
but the system of medicine has to
acknowledge at a certain point and
change like this because you have enough
of the the greats in the system involved
this is how you create change faster and
that's part of what we need before we
just wait till all the the non-believers
died and a new generation of doctors
came in but that's too slow for the
amount of change in the world around us
so you're causing change faster by
bringing the right people into the room
gary and i i think that's cool thank you
and our goal at the beginning of this
was to build a bulletproof conference
i know i know a guy
but in all seriousness it's got to be
academically
bulletproof so that we can completely
high integrity and uh unimpeachable
absolutely because everything it says is
is real and backed up by data i sure do
my best and if what i say is not
data-backed i'll usually tell you it's
not data backed it's just what i think
and i'm probably right
and actually you probably are so
my track record is good but it's not 100
i was a raw vegan
i admit it
and then we have a conversation about
kale someday but
yeah exactly
please no
now
the other reason i think this matters
really greatly and this is probably a
little bit of personal stuff
it's that
we are wrecking our kids right now
and it is normal for kids to be exposed
to a healthy amount of bugs it's how
they build lifelong immune systems
and by
marinating our children in um
in hand sanitizer
um to an obsessive degree you go to the
mall every store once you do that really
if it doesn't even make sense uh and by
uh i would say even in situations where
they're safe
to require
um
obsessive amounts of protective measures
or whatever they are i think it's
actually going to cause more immune
problems more behavioral problems more
autoimmunity and and more of these
things
and so what you're discovering what
you're talking about this conference
it's stuff we're going to need to fix
the damage we did over the last two
years i'm not saying that there wasn't
some benefit there was i just don't
think you know the juice was worth the
squeeze from where we are today but it
doesn't matter what i think we have a
bunch of kids who have less functional
immune systems than they did two years
ago because they aren't playing in dirt
the way they did outside
um so we're going to need this we're
going to use for our adults we need this
for our kids in particular kids so the
the amount of autism that happens right
now if we follow through on what you're
saying i already predict this is one of
those i don't have the science but i
already know
autism can level off or even go down if
we do what you're doing before people
get pregnant and we do this in younger
children we look at the inflammatory
panels we modulate the cytokines in the
right way and this is part of the
equation of living a long time this very
important work you're doing thank you
and i'm really grateful for it you are
also 100
correct the the number of autoimmune
cases is dramatically on the rise and by
the way all of these diseases we're
talking about are not presently
considered autoimmune diseases when in
fact they are they're autoimmune
diseases associated with
neuroinflammation brain inflammation but
you're absolutely correct because we've
been living in an increasingly aseptic
environment
because we're not eating dirt because we
are so sterile in everything that we do
our immune systems are not getting the
workouts they need in order to be able
to toughen up and be able to take proper
care of us and i'm seeing this
interestingly enough now as people have
started to go back to being with their
families
okay for the last year and a half i have
seen nary a cold nor gastrointestinal
infection nor sinus infection or
bronchitis in my office
okay in the last two weeks
i have seen more colds more
gastroenteritis
more sinus infections than i've seen for
the last two years confined because
people are back and now what's happening
is those snotty nose little kids
the ones that have always been sunday
night little kids and they're cute and
you hold them and you snuggle them and
then you get exposed to all of those
germs so your immune system goes oh my
god i haven't had to do anything for a
year and a half what the hell do i do
now
and
yes being exposed to this stuff on a
regular basis actually keeps us healthy
being exposed to us in children keeps
keeps us healthy and makes us healthy
it's one of the reasons that first-year
er doctors they get sick all the time
and then after maybe night first year
for six months after that suddenly they
don't get sick like all their colleagues
it's very rare because their immune
system is like oh you mean i have to
work out every day and teachers when
they first start teaching yep the same
thing and then after they've been a
teacher for a year the next year they
don't really have that same thing
because we've trained our immune systems
to be resilient and strong and as as you
said the lower b version of bulletproof
like they can take the hits that the
world gives to them so if you get a cold
because you're walking around without
putting something over your face
it's okay
it's normal and it's not going to keep
happening if you keep normally exposing
yourself to other people and this is
missing from our thing and i would like
to ask you a question about whether
these cases of autoimmunity that you're
seeing on the rise whether you could
correlate them with
a test group and uh
in a control group
but there's a certain kind of treatment
going around for which they're trying to
eliminate a control group so i'm not
going to ask you that question because
that would be wrong
control groups
research is tough and control groups are
hard but i think we can actually do a
control group i think basically what we
do is background you do a control group
of people who are healthy and otherwise
not apparently healthy and that's the
other thing is apparently healthy right
i'm talking about like mandated
treatments where the goal is 100 of the
populations did autoimmunity rise in the
group that got the mandated treatment
versus the other group that no longer
exists so i would like to obviously have
questions at least have a few hundred
people where we could do a test but we
can't really talk about that because
that's you know that's the realm of thou
shalt be canceled except that there was
a study that just came out looking at
chronic fatigue syndrome and i don't
have it in front of me oh is there i'm
so interested in the real data on this
if we're allowed to talk about it yes
yes yes and i don't have the data in
front of me it literally just came out
in the last two days and i was going
through it as published by uh myalgic
encephalomyelitis uh
uh so mec solve me now
um okay and so it's on their website but
basically what they found was
uh a higher percentage of people
developing uh
post immunization problems uh who have
mecsf
um
yes anyone with strong autoimmunity is
at higher risk from any immune
modulating treatment i mean that's just
how it is right
and so uh i give you the numbers if i
had them off but i don't have a thought
by him but there are real numbers and
they have actually demonstrated a
significantly higher increase number of
cases uh of their flare-up of the mecsf
of them getting sicker and more disabled
as a result of getting the immunizations
in this group
specifically so
so perhaps we could say people with me
cfs in their background or documented
autoimmunity ought to have a medical
exemption in a normal life and a certain
percentage of my patients do have that
by the way because we look at them the
problem is their employer won't honor it
restaurants won't honor it and the
government won't honor it that's my big
thing like you guys can say like this is
highly recommended for everyone unless
you have a good reason i'm just saying
sometimes there's a good reason and you
know it may be why antidepressants don't
work for one person but they work for
another well if there's good reason
don't take antidepressants but they
might work for right and that's just
like medicine 101. so i'm pretty worked
up about the whole idea that
if you as a doctor know that this
patient is at higher risk from a
treatment
it's not okay for some legislator to say
they have to get it anyway like that's
how the world works no and we need we
need to not have our medical judgment
usurped by the state legislatures or
by legislators or insurance companies
doctors have to be able to be doctors
and anyone who gets in the way of that
welcome it all goes back to benjamin
rush yes the only doctor founding father
who warned of medical tyranny although
people sometimes say that wasn't his
quote it probably was but regardless
founder of my undergrad by the way but
he was the founder of my undergrad
school oh i see i love it so you know
about that
so guys
there is no protection in the
constitution and the bill of rights
about medical freedom but there is a lot
of other freedoms so if they said you
have the right of free speech the right
of guns and the right to choose your own
medical care we would not be where we
are right now but thankfully the first
two are still there and the second one
is to protect the first one and one of
them and that's why the us is not
australian one of the massive problems
with
uh access to medical care is insurance
because insurance says oh you can do
anything you want but we won't pay for
it
and then one medication that i use for
patients
is if they have to pay out of pocket
fifteen hundred dollars for the month
it's nuts my daughter just got
medication that normally would have cost
her sixteen thousand five hundred
dollars
from
in the u.s from canada for a thousand
dollars
well that's because there's the law in
the u.s that says the us government
cannot by law negotiate prices with drug
companies well that's that's the part
that's
that's as far as medicare is yeah you're
absolutely correct
right it's crazy pants so we don't have
to go into you know diagnosing the
system because it has multiple ills but
what i do want to just highlight is that
number one
there are doctors like gary kaplan here
there are many of them out there and
gary's conference i think is setting up
to change the face of medicine because
there are lots of disparate disconnected
groups of patients and
doctors looking at them and they're all
looking at the same thing but they don't
know it
and by bringing these together
it's sort of like we used to have just
gay rights if you go back into the 80s
and now it's like
lgbtqia plus and then there's like a
bunch of other letters that are raising
their hand to be added i'm not sure
where that's going to end but the reason
that that works is you get them all
together into the equivalent of a trade
union
and so diseases need trade unions as
well so you have enough mass to get
attention from drug companies get
attention from medical schools and
you're creating essentially a trade
union for autoimmunity and it's badass
and i like that thank you
thank you we want as many people at this
conference as possible we need your
support we want you informed we want
your docs informed we want to help you
get better that's that's what this
conference is about
all right so let me make a suggestion um
our upgrade collective members are going
nuts they're all signing up for it by
the way one of them says that it says
tickets are not available so you might
want to have your guys look at that
what that's about
that should be fixed by the time this
goes this goes live
here's what i want you guys to do
um you should if you want to go to the
conference it's very affordable um and
what you're going to find is if you talk
to your doctor between now and then say
hey
do you know about this it's by the
greats in medicine you should take a
look at it uh you might enjoy it and
it's going to be written up in medical
journals this is a doctor level i'm just
going because i'm really interested in
my condition right so tell your doctor
about it because we need doctors to know
absolutely that this is real and i'm
just going to go out on a limb here and
say as a guy who's lived most of this
i'm like your your ideal patient type
who won
i am younger smarter faster stronger
healthier and like i like
the vast majority of what's going on
with my biology
and i came from behind so
given that stance and that set of
knowledge this is the right direction
this is the real stuff so let's get your
doctors on board with understanding it
they'll probably treat you better
but it's it's a nominal amount of money
and it's you know four days of content
probably more than you have time to
watch but i'm definitely going to be
there tuning in
it's hopehealingknowledge.com is the
name of it so dave thank you very much
for that point because it is extremely
important it's it's a full-blown medical
conference okay there's 19 and a half
hours of continuing medical education
for physicians to attend this is
sponsored by georgetown as well as my
foundation for total recovery
and
this is a conference
for doc to get educated by some of the
best people in the world
and
i'm laughing because i have lied to take
medical training that requires you to be
medically certified so you can get
continuing medical education so i've
attended a few conferences as dr dave
i've never treated a patient because i
can't have patients because i don't
treat any of that kind of stuff but you
know in order to get in and get the
training and you're just saying i'm
going to open it up for 69 bucks to
everyone that's also disruptive so there
is no
like like the whole reason you use latin
words in in medicine is to make it
harder to be a doctor
it's unnecessary so you're opening this
up in a in a cool way that's that's
different as well we're democratizing
this we want everybody there because
everybody can learn
there's something for everybody to learn
from this conference
i think that's the case and there's also
something for them to learn from this uh
from this episode we talked about uh
inflammation we talked about aspirin and
we talked about all kinds of stuff but
most of all
if you're sitting here going i so don't
like my life i don't know why i'm puffy
i have all this inflammation i don't
know what's going on it's all caused by
the same basic stuff the the uniting
elements here oh there was an infection
thing there's an immune response there's
a mass cell issue there's a mold issue
there's a mercury issue there's not that
many things when you unpack it all right
and gary's assembling them into one of
the major packages so we can look at
this from a more functional perspective
thanks again my friend for being on the
show and for doing this conference i'm
pretty excited about it i'm honored to
be here dave thank you for having me
here keep up the work you're doing it's
so important and
i blessed to have you as a friend thank
you
thank you

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maligner::noun | Spocien Dictionary

maligner

noun

one who attacks the reputation of another by slander or libel

Type	Words
Synonyms	backbiter, defamer, libeler, slanderer, traducer, vilifier
Type of	depreciator, detractor, disparager, knocker
Derivation	malign

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maligner::noun | Spocien Dictionary

abandonment

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