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How to pronounce agent orange in English?

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let's talk about Agent Orange for a
minute now Agent Orange complicated
topic a lot and I could sit here and
start talking now and I can keep talking
to February 10th of 2018 and not still
not cover everything that's important
for veterans to know about agent which
claims they're really complicated you've
got Agent Orange bottom line for those
of you that are not Vietnam era veterans
Agent Orange was a chemical that was
used during the Vietnam conflict
it's a dioxin based herbicide that was
used and sprayed on the vegetation to
quickly kill the vegetation theory being
it to kill all the vegetation then the
Vietcong are more visible to you and if
you know the history of the Vietnam War
the main way that the Russians and the
Chinese fueled arms through the North
Vietnamese to fight in the south was
along the Ho Chi Minh Trail which ran
along the western border of North
Vietnam and down into South Vietnam and
a lot of large parcels of it were
underground but large portions of it
were above-ground and so by killing the
vegetation and spraying Agent Orange on
the Ho Chi Minh Trail and practically
any spot where US troops were operating
on the ground cleared out the vegetation
opened up lines of fire allowed them to
see the enemy coming a lot more quickly
the problem is and the folks that
manufacture dioxin we learned years
later one of them well I'm not going to
get into that I'll have defamation
insurance I don't want to slam the
company too much at least not here in
any event the company is rumored to have
known at the time that it sold this
stuff to the US government and frankly
the US government they knew that this
was a dangerous dangerous poison and
just like all things they tell us in the
Army or the Navy are therefore so like I
had safe you know put on your big boy
uniform and you'll be fine turns out
that's not the case they sprayed agents
all over South Vietnam into North
Vietnam there was Agent Orange that was
sprayed on test plots at Fort Detrick
and a couple of other posts here in the
US Agent Orange was stored we now know
on Camp Casey and Korea it was used on
the Korean DMZ was sprayed around the
perimeters of the Royal Thai Air Force
bases in Thailand it was used we know it
was used in Laos and Cambodia the US
government will never admit that because
they still I don't think admit that we
were in Laos in Cambodia during that
conflict it was stored allegedly and I
believe it but again we are allies with
Japan and if we admit that we stored
this crap at Okinawa we are going to
have to pay Japan some money because
that stuff doesn't just sit the barrel
underground it leaks out chemicals don't
stay put they move around and so in any
of that Asian West's dioxin was used
stored everywhere even the veterans that
served on the planes the sea 123's that
were used to spray it the veterans that
served on those aircraft after they were
brought stateside after the war both of
them were shipped out to Guard and
Reserve units the Guard and Reserve
veterans that used those planes were
exposed to a lot of Agent Orange as well
now ice age in origin I mean that
globally because there were several
dioxin based agents that were used there
was agent pink agent purple it almost
sounds like a Quentin Tarantino movie
all the different colors and the reason
they had the color name or I don't know
if that's the reason but certainly the
green barrels that they were shipped in
had a colored band around the top that
matched the type of docks and there was
so Agent Orange had an awards right
around the top agent pink had pink and
so on and so forth but there were a lot
of them Agent Orange was I want to say
it's the worst it's the most commonly
known there are at least I think is what
is it now 13 or 14 medical conditions
that are presumed to have been caused by
exposure to Agent Orange and so a lot of
veterans are dealing with the issues of
that and their big medical problems
their cancers there are things like
diabetes and diabetes is a time bomb it
causes a host of other problems and
ischemic heart disease coronary artery
disease a whole host there's a lot of
evidence that esophageal cancer is
related to it but the VA is not
necessarily admitting all that yet but
there's a lot more medical
out there that is believed to have been
caused by exposure to the dioxin in
Agent Orange so had a case that a
veteran was serving in Japan and what he
did and I'm not sure exactly what his
MOS was but as part of his job he
handled a lot of fatigues that soldiers
in Vietnam had worn so they were either
out processing or it was a major laundry
study I don't exactly understand that
part of it but his allegation was that
while in Japan he came into contact
every single day with the clothes that
soldiers were wearing in Vietnam that
were covered and theory with this dioxin
or Agent Orange now the real value of
this case and what we're going to talk
about next week on the blog is how it
related to the board's duty to assist
veterans aboard hearing during the board
hearing that's really important to know
so we're going to share it in the
context of this case but there's a minor
point that I want to share with you here
today and the minor point it's not minor
it's not being the main point of the
case as my point it's a big point for a
lot of you out there you got to know
this you just have to know this because
this is not something that a lot of you
are aware of and it gets you into
trouble when you file your claims
because you didn't do it right I'm not
faulting anybody this is really
complicated excuse my cousin but this
stuff is just insanely complicated it's
a clown car and so I'm not faulting
anybody but if you know this proof then
it makes it a lot easier so when you are
proving trying to prove service
connection for a medical condition based
on Agent Orange exposure there's two
ways that you can go there's more
there's actually five but there's two
primary ways that most folks are going
to go and the first way is called
presumptive service connection the
second way is direct service connection
now there's other ways to deal with that
I want to focus on those do because
those are the two that cause the most
issues so when you have a claim for
service connection of a disability due
to Agent Orange or dioxin exposure you
are entitled to certain presumptions and
there's two of them there's two of them
so the first one is if you had service
at a particular time and in a particular
place where the VA is now conceding or
the Department of Defense has conceded
that we used this noxious horrible
chemical if you served in those areas at
those times and you prove that you
served in those areas at those times
then you're going to be presumed to have
been exposed to Agent Orange that's the
first presumption first and it's
important to understand this
the second presumption if you have a
medical condition that's on the list of
medical conditions but link will be in
the show notes there's a list of medical
conditions that the VA says are presumed
to have been caused by exposure to Agent
4ch all right so if you have one of
those conditions and you prove that you
have one of those conditions to the VA
and you prove that you were in the place
where they concede the use of Agent
Orange at the time or with the
particular unit or in the particular
geographical location if you prove both
of those things and you get your two
presumptions you get presumption of
exposure and if you have that condition
you get presumption of
service-connection
so the most common these are not the
only ones but the most common ways to
get that presumption of exposure is
boots on the ground of the Republic of
Vietnam boots on the ground and it
doesn't even have to be you know you
could have been kind of you know rolling
along the coast there in a little kayak
and kind of just stuck your toe out
touch the shore that's enough and I say
that somewhat facetiously most troops
that were flying in to Vietnam or two
points west and north were passed
through talk to nut and what was then
Saigon and if you D boarded the aircraft
and put your foot on tarmac to smoke a
cigarette that's enough to get boots on
the ground so really all it is is toe on
the ground and Vietnam if you can show
to on the ground and the Republic of
Vietnam and you can prove that you are
entitled to a presumption of exposure to
Agent Orange okay then if you have one
of the disabilities or the conditions
that's on the list that you're presumed
that that was presumed that that was
caused by the exposure to Agent Orange
now if you were in Thailand
during the Vietnam War and you were an
MP or dog handler in most cases you're
going to be presumed to have been
exposed to Agent Orange because their
job was to patrol the perimeter and all
of the VA is willing to concede at this
point in time was that Agent Orange was
used on the perimeter if you served on
one of these bases most every single one
of them was small enough that the
perimeter was also the base I mean you
really these are not large bases it's
not like Fort Hood Texas
these are outposts these are small
landing strips they're not big bases and
so when you say that you spray it on the
perimeter that is going everywhere
I joke about this and I hate to joke
about it this way but it kind of puts
things into perspective but Agent Orange
is a really smart chemical it knows
exactly the fiftieth foot from a
perimeter of a base it knows where the
perimeter is it is super smart because
it knows where the perimeter of every
base every Royal Thai Air Force Base in
Thailand was and in those the 50 feet
inside the base so it knows exactly that
just drop it at the ground not impact
the soldiers in there it also is really
super smart because when it was sprayed
all over the Republic of Vietnam and it
drifted as soon as the very microsecond
that it crossed over the coastline it
didn't impact anybody
it was super smart it never leaked out
of a barrel in route and never leaked
out of storage this chemical is really
smart right so these are some of the
limitations that are placed on veterans
and make it difficult to prove exposure
to Agent Orange Navy veterans have it
the worst
they are divided into blue water and
brown water Navy vets so is the easiest
way as a Navy vet to show that you are
exposed to Agent Orange is the show that
you put a boot on the ground in the
Republic of Vietnam and the way you do
that is by pulling your deck logs and
showing that you signed off on the to go
ashore
while you were docked in a particular
Harbor you can also if you were one of
the Navy vets that went up the rivers on
the small rating craft you can show that
you were on a brown water meaning an
inland waterway there's some real fine
definitions of what that is and I'm not
going to cover that in this video that's
way too detailed for this video but if
you show you are a brown water may be
better and you can be
presumed to have been exposed to Agent
Orange but if you were blue water and
you stayed in the open sea or not in a
port a particular inland waterway port
then you're not presumed you have to at
that point you don't get any presumption
of exposure to Agent Orange now there
was initially a thought that for example
the folks the Guard and Reserve members
that use those sea 123s
I think was 2 years ago or was it one
year ago it was within the last two
years the VA came out and said some
really horrible offensive stuff you go
to look up c-123 and search the blog the
post is on there tell them what happened
spend some really offensive stuff about
these soldiers they didn't say that they
weren't exposed to Agent Orange they
just said they weren't veterans and that
sent me through the roof me and you know
21 million other veterans through the
roof that some of our brothers and
sisters who served in more than uniform
were considered veterans by the stinking
lawyers at the VA but in any event they
rescinded that and they at that point
conceded that folks that had served on
these particular aircraft these tea
123's were exposed to Agent Orange that
get them the presumption if you don't
have that presumption you have to prove
direct exposure to the chemical okay
when you prove something to the VA
almost all the time rare situations is
your word enough so if some cases it is
we talk about lay evidence we talk about
jandreau we talk about all those
different cases and how lay evidence has
some real power in a VA a claim
sometimes your statement your testimony
your affidavit is enough but most times
it's better to have more in there so
when you are trying to prove direct
exposure to Agent Orange you should put
in there where it happened when it
happened as much details you can
remember about being exposed we had one
client that claimed direct exposure he
had taken several photographs of him and
his buddies in the unit and so we had
pictures and they were leaning up
against the barrel that had that
telltale orange stripe around it I have
no idea what was in the barrel but the
fact that they were leaning up against
it tells us that we knew that that
particular place where they were had at
least some exposure to this particular
chemical was not in the Republic of
Vietnam by the way
and so we have a survivor in a statement
prove up that that was her husband in
the picture we proved up using other
tools that that was Agent Orange that
that was a barrel that is reasonably
likely to be or contain Agent Orange and
that was enough to prove direct actual
exposure so if you can get that kind of
proof or if you can show there was one
grade around the veterans name August 4
yeah I think it's mr. house was
stationed at Camp Casey and he spent a
good 20 years trying to prove that Agent
Orange was stored at Camp Casey in Korea
and he eventually won his case he didn't
actually prove exposure to Agent Orange
he put in enough evidence that it made
it more likely that he was actually
exposed and so that's really the proof
I'm gonna find that House case for you
it's not going to be in the show notes
I'm going to get it up on the blog for
it because I think it's important for
you to see how to directly prove it
that's the first piece if you don't have
a presumptive explosion agent you
weren't in the right time at the right
place and then the VA is not going to
concede it you've got to prove that you
were actually exposed but that's not it
you then have to prove that your medical
condition was caused by the exposure to
Agent Orange now if it's one of those
conditions that on the presumptive
service-connected disability list you
don't have any proof you just have to
prove you have that condition if you've
got diabetes once you prove exposure
either directly or through presumption
once that exposure is conceded by the VA
then all you have to do is show that you
have a diagnosis of one of the
disabilities on that list and they're
going to presume that it's caused by the
Agent Orange exposure unless at every
presumption there the blog post about
presumptions of what that hundred dollar
lawyer word means unless the VA can show
clear and convincing evidence that there
was something else that caused it and
one of their favorite things for certain
cancers is smoking so you could have
actually been the guy mixing up the
barrels of Agent Orange with the big
wooden spoon and I'm kind of making
light of this but and I don't mean to
make fun of those situations I'm trying
to really to make fun of the VA but you
could have been that particular person
and
I completely lost my train of thought
they are apologizing wow that doesn't
happen very often in any event it'll
come back to me in a minute here so the
two presumptions that you have to prove
are the two things is exposure to Agent
Orange and a condition that's on that
list what if your condition is not on
that list what if you have a medical
condition that's not on the presumptive
exposure list and you've already proven
that you're exposed to Agent Orange how
do you make that gap how do you close
that gap so for example let's say you
prove you were exposed to Agent Orange
on a Royal Thai Air Force Base in
Thailand or up on the DMZ in Korea
during the Vietnam era or at Fort
Detrick when they did the test spraying
of a joint you prove that the VA concede
you were exposed to Agent Orange let's
say that the condition that you have is
a rare form of cancer that's not on the
list let's say maybe pancreatic cancer
or let's even just say let's go for the
sake of argument let's say sleep apnea
you know when you have chemicals that
get into the throat like that and it
wears down the lining inside the throat
the tissues inside the lung it
interferes with the body's ability to
put oxygen into your bloodstream
essentially that's what's going on with
sleep apnea is your harm to the airway
and you're basically you're not able to
breathe in oxygen at that point so let's
say you have a condition B that B is not
on the presumptive service-connection
list right but the VA has conceded Agent
Orange exposure so what do you have to
do this is really hard stuff oh this is
hard and it kind of reminds me of some
of the expenses exposure cases in the
civilian world you have to prove the
amount of the chemical you were exposed
to and you have to show that that
chemical amount was enough to cause the
disability and then enough to cause your
disability and that's why it's so
difficult to prove that you're exposed
to Agent Orange caused another medical
condition because most times there is no
way on earth to tell what level of dye
you were exposed to in a scientifically
measurable way and there's no way to
tell whether that level translates into
the current condition that you have now
so that's a really hard proof the case
that I'm going to tell you about next
week goes into the board's duty to
assist what they have to tell you to
prove or what evidence you need to bring
out to prove that it will board hearing
at that issue we'll get into that later
but right now it's very important to
know that if you have a condition that
you believe was exposed caused by
exposure to Agent Orange you have to
prove two things
yes prove exposure and you have to prove
I'm going to say causation but it's
Nexus you can cure the proof observed
I'm sorry you can pure the proof of
causation by having a disease that's on
the list of exposures you can cure the
direct proof by having exposure at a
time and a place in a location that the
VA has already conceded be a charge was
used so does that make sense
two presumptions you got to prove both
of them to get the easiest case if you
have a disability to smile on that list
I strongly strongly strongly encourage
you to pick up the phone and call your
senator get your friends to pick up the
phone and call your Congressman called
their congressman and call their
Senators and ask them to start passing
some damn legislation that talks about
just service-connected everybody that
served in the Southeast Asia during the
damn Vietnam War was probably exposed to
Agent Orange and let it go we spend so
much time so much money we waste all
this effort we know almost every single
person from California all the way over
it's allows in Cambodia that served
during the Vietnam era was likely
exposed to Agent Orange we can see in
the diagnosis we can see in the rate of
diagnosis ask your senator and
congressman just to pass a damn law tell
them the VA to stop fighting us about it
it's ridiculous it's absurd anyway
that's my rant for the show if you have
questions about Agent Orange is going to
be a bunch of post in there there's so
much more that I got to tell you about
this but we're just running out of time
in this particular episode so hopefully
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agent orange

noun

a herbicide used in the Vietnam War to defoliate forest areas

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Type of	herbicide, weed killer, weedkiller

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